Arab Spring

A mis­take I fre­quently make as a polit­i­cal observer is believ­ing con­ser­v­a­tives mean what they say. Not that I often agree with them…but the things they put forth as pol­icy are framed in such pas­sion and earnest self-​​righteousness, I just can’t help think­ing they must be sin­cere this time. And all too often, my faith turns out yet again to be naïve and misplaced.

In 2005 dur­ing the inau­gural address for his sec­ond term, George W. Bush deliv­ered these stir­ring words:

So it is the pol­icy of the United States to seek and sup­port the growth of demo­c­ra­tic move­ments and insti­tu­tions in every nation and cul­ture, with the ulti­mate goal of end­ing tyranny in our world. This is not pri­mar­ily the task of arms, though we will defend our­selves and our friends by force of arms when nec­es­sary. Free­dom, by its nature, must be cho­sen, and defended by cit­i­zens, and sus­tained by the rule of law and the pro­tec­tion of minori­ties. And when the soul of a nation finally speaks, the insti­tu­tions that arise may reflect cus­toms and tra­di­tions very dif­fer­ent from our own. Amer­ica will not impose our own style of gov­ern­ment on the unwill­ing. Our goal instead is to help oth­ers find their own voice, attain their own free­dom, and make their own way.

As early as 2003, George Bush had appar­ently envi­sioned this pow­er­ful grass-​​roots demo­c­ra­tic move­ment start­ing in Egypt. Speak­ing to the National Endow­ment For Democ­racy in Novem­ber of 2003, Bush said:

The great and proud nation of Egypt has shown the way toward peace in the Mid­dle East, and now should show the way toward democ­racy in the Mid­dle East. Cham­pi­ons of democ­racy in the region under­stand that democ­racy is not per­fect, it is not the path to utopia, but it is the only path to national suc­cess and dignity.

This was not just Bush’s per­sonal vision, but the stated pol­icy of his admin­is­tra­tion in 2006:

More broadly, the Bush Admin­is­tra­tion has viewed democ­racy pro­mo­tion as an instru­ment for com­bat­ing ter­ror­ism. Both the U.S. exec­u­tive and leg­isla­tive branches of gov­ern­ment sup­port democ­racy pro­mo­tion in other coun­tries. The Bush Admin­is­tra­tion has imple­mented both bilat­eral and mul­ti­lat­eral pro­grams to pro­mote democ­racy, such as the Mil­len­nium Chal­lenge Account (MCA), and requested about $1.5 bil­lion for democ­racy pro­mo­tion in FY2008. Also, it has iden­ti­fied gov­ern­ing justly and demo­c­ra­t­i­cally as a key objec­tive of its for­eign aid policies.

And, of course, the value to our secu­rity and pros­per­ity of “pro­mot­ing democ­racy” in the Mid­dle East was repeated inces­santly dur­ing the course of the Bush admin­is­tra­tion by con­ser­v­a­tives every­where as a com­pletely viable jus­ti­fi­ca­tion for the costly war in Iraq, even absent Weapons of Mass Destruc­tion or any overt threat to Amer­ica from Sad­dam Hus­sein’s régime.

But then two things hap­pened and every­thing changed, seem­ingly overnight. The first was Barack Obama’s elec­tion as pres­i­dent of the United States, and the sec­ond was a spon­ta­neous, grass­roots upris­ing across the Mid­dle East, an “Arab Spring” in nations seek­ing to throw off the yoke of author­i­tar­i­an­ism and begin to gov­ern themselves.

Sud­denly and inex­plic­a­bly, west­ern con­ser­v­a­tives began to lose their enthu­si­asm for democ­racy in the Mid­dle East. It was no longer a joy­ous event to be fer­vently desired, result­ing in Amer­i­cans being show­ered with candy and flow­ers by grate­ful lib­er­ated peo­ples. Instead it mor­phed into some­thing dark, sin­is­ter and threat­en­ing to west­ern interests.

We began to see many arti­cles like this one from right-​​wing com­men­ta­tors and blog­gers, mock­ing Barack Obama’s gulli­bil­ity for believ­ing in the Arab Spring:

Despite the fact that the Islamists are widely expected to win a major­ity in the Egypt­ian elec­tions, Barack Obama is prepar­ing a speech prais­ing the Arab Spring. Obama intends to make the point that shoot­ing Bin Laden in the eye and the upris­ings and over­throw of sev­eral pro-​​American regimes will usher in a new era of polit­i­cal change in the Mid­dle East. Seems a bit fool­ish, doesn’t it?

Or this one, telling us that Mus­lims are nei­ther his­tor­i­cally, cul­tur­ally nor ide­o­log­i­cally capa­ble of func­tion­ing within a true democracy:

Most peo­ple like the idea of democ­racy, it’s the idea that the peo­ple you hate get just as many votes as you do, that they don’t like. That’s why Mus­lims will play the game of democ­racy, but only until they score enough goals that they can take the net home with them. Tol­er­ance was only a virtue in Islam, when Mohammed and his hand­ful of fol­low­ers needed to rely on the good­will of peo­ple who didn’t like them. But once the san­dal was on the other foot, the swords really began to fall. And so did the heads. That’s why the Arab Spring is fated to end in a Mus­lim Winter.

Or this one by for­mer neo­con­ser­v­a­tive hawk Andrew McCarthy, in which he sounds both angry with the media for pro­mot­ing democ­racy, and more than a bit nos­tal­gic for deposed strong­man Hosni Mubarak:

Why is the sit­u­a­tion in Egypt so dan­ger­ous? Because the “Arab Spring” is not the Arab Spring. It is the Islamist ascen­dancy. Like good democ­racy fetishists, though, the media is see­ing the Egypt it wants to see. To the con­trary, in the real Egypt, Islamist ide­ol­ogy is the main­stream, cours­ing from the beat­ing heart of Al-​​Azhar Uni­ver­sity through every part of the coun­try. With­out the much-​​derided Mubarak around to clamp down on it, Islamists have Copts and sec­u­lar­ists par­a­lyzed by their habit­ual unrest and clashes.

Most recently we have had the shock­ing and  embar­rass­ing spec­ta­cle of Repub­li­cans openly sid­ing with the leader of another nation, Israeli PM Ben­jamin Netanyahu,  who lec­tured the Pres­i­dent of the United States, in pub­lic,  for express­ing a view on Mideast peace nego­ti­a­tions that has been the set­tled pol­icy of the United States for decades.

So there you have it. For­get all that rap­tur­ous sup­port of George W. Bush’s dream to bring democ­racy to the Mid­dle East, with Egypt lead­ing the way. When peo­ple in that part of the world rise up to bring democ­racy to their own nations, it is no longer a noble and nec­es­sary devel­op­ment; it is some­thing to be feared. The res­i­dents of those coun­tries are Islamists and ter­ror­ists whose free­dom now poses a threat to the West and to Israel.  They can­not be trusted with democ­racy, because they are too prim­i­tive and unsta­ble to han­dle it. What’s more, they’ve always been that way, and Barack Obama is gullible and naïve to think otherwise.

So which is it? Are con­ser­v­a­tives lying now because the Arab Spring is hap­pen­ing under a dif­fer­ent president…or were they lying for all those years when they sup­ported democ­racy in the Mid­dle East, which was advanced by George Bush as a pri­mary jus­ti­fi­ca­tion for the Iraq war?

It’s a dif­fi­cult ques­tion. I leave the answer up to you.




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  1. On the ques­tion as to whether they were lying then or now — the answer is that they lie to them­selves all the time, and only periph­er­ally to the rest of us. While all humans suf­fer from var­i­ous cog­ni­tive prob­lems which make us prone to error, con­ser­v­a­tives suf­fer most par­tic­u­larly and severely from wish­ful think­ing (AKA “con­fir­ma­tion bias”).
    It was wish­ful think­ing that gave them cer­ti­tude that bring­ing democ­racy to the mid­dle east would result in sta­ble gov­ern­ments amenable to Amer­i­can (actu­ally, Israeli) inter­ests. It’s wish­ful think­ing now that a Demo­c­ra­tic president’s poli­cies will fail.
    They see every poten­tially pos­i­tive event under a con­ser­v­a­tive leader as proof pos­i­tive of the cor­rect­ness of that leader’s poli­cies, while they see every poten­tially neg­a­tive occur­rence under a lib­eral (accept­ing, for the moment, that Obama can be termed that, from their point of view) as proof pos­i­tive of the fail­ure of that leader’s policies.

  2. I really wish some of our con­ser­v­a­tive vis­i­tors would clar­ify their views on this because I am truly puz­zled by the right-​​wing stance, which seems totally con­tra­dic­tory to me.

    Just tell me… is the Arab Spring a good thing for the world and for Amer­ica… or is it a bad, dan­ger­ous movement?

    If it’s a good thing, why all the relent­less neg­a­tiv­ity from right wing commentators?

    And if it’s a bad thing… wasn’t it also wrong for you to be sup­port­ing the Iraq war so pas­sion­ately for all those years?

    It can’t be both, can it? It must be one or the other. So which is it?

  3. @shortchain… They see every po­ten­tially pos­i­tive event un­der a con­ser­v­a­tive leader as proof pos­i­tive of the cor­rect­ness of that leader’s poli­cies, while they see every po­ten­tially neg­a­tive oc­cur­rence un­der a lib­eral (ac­cept­ing, for the mo­ment, that Obama can be termed that, from their point of view) as proof pos­i­tive of the fail­ure of that leader’s policies.

    Thanks short­chain. I didn’t see your com­ment until I had posted mine.

    I fear you may be right, though I was hop­ing for a dif­fer­ent (and per­haps excul­pa­tory) expla­na­tion. The one you pro­pose is fright­en­ing to me… because I think peo­ple capa­ble of that level of self-​​delusion and par­ti­san blind­ness are not just inca­pable of run­ning a country.

    They are not even capa­ble of being a loyal opposition.

  4. fili,

    I can’t believe you still think there is con­sis­tency in the typ­i­cal RWer! The usual con­sis­tency is their incon­sis­tency. You have seen it demon­strated time and time again in the politi­cians and here on this blog.

    The same peo­ple that want “small gov­ern­ment” want to use gov­ern­ment to inter­vene in what would be legal con­tracts between informed adults, just because the “Bible tells them so”!

    They want us to believe they pre­fer “fis­cal respon­si­bil­ity”, and then run up $10 tril­lion in deficits over 30 years.

    So you think they would be con­sis­tent about democ­racy, if it doesn’t fit THEIR lim­ited ideology?

    Get real!

  5. fil­istro,

    Ah, but you need to see the pos­i­tive in this. And there is pos­i­tive in every­thing — a yin to every yang. Sure, they sup­ported the idi­otic poli­cies of the global vil­lage idiot W, and they are fear­ful of the poli­cies of the prag­matic O. But on the pos­i­tive side, you’ve got to give them credit for an unquench­able capac­ity for hope, even when that hope is for Obama to fail, pro­duc­ing a pretty dark time for Amer­ica.
    You should not expect an ele­phant to per­form well in the high jump, but for stomp­ing things flat and bel­low­ing, there’s just no other crea­ture that comes close.
    Sure, we all dream of an intel­li­gent oppo­si­tion, but let’s be real­is­tic — we are just lucky to have an oppo­si­tion, even if a rather clumsy and doltish one, or we’d just be a hive, not a free society.

  6. @Max.. I can’t be­lieve you still think there is con­sis­tency in the typ­i­cal RWer! The usual con­sis­tency is their inconsistency.

    You know, Max… I’m really kind of ago­niz­ing over this. First of all, I don’t like clas­si­fy­ing peo­ple as “typ­i­cal” any­thing. Peo­ple are so com­plex. For instance, some years ago I spent quite a while, off and on, liv­ing in a house on Lake Travis near Austin while writ­ing a book set in Texas. I met a lot of Tex­ans. YOU are cer­tainly not a “typ­i­cal Texan”… at least as regards the “red­neck” stereo­type which also is not accu­rate, since Tex­ans come in all styles just like Cana­di­ans and Egyptians.

    Our con­ser­v­a­tives here are not just an ide­o­log­i­cal mass. They are peo­ple like GROG.,who is thought­ful and hon­est… and rgb, who will always admit when he’s wrong and some­times ques­tions his own ide­ol­ogy… and Bart, who can be crit­i­cal of his own side when it doesn’t con­form to his con­ser­v­a­tive ideals… and Gator, who enjoys the bat­tle but speaks the truth as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may…

    So I really, truly won­der about this issue. I want to know what these guys think, deep down. My sus­pi­cion is that they ALWAYS feared and dis­liked the idea of democ­racy in the Mid­dle East, but they sup­ported Bush’s vision because they thought it was coura­geous and noble, and besides, it solved the embar­rass­ment of there being no WMD. But now Bush is gone and they’re free to say what they really think.

    That’s what I sus­pect. I’d like to know if I’m right.

  7. @shortchain You should not ex­pect an ele­phant to per­form well in the high jump, but for stomp­ing things flat and bel­low­ing, there’s just no other crea­ture that comes close.

    Okay, that made me laugh.

    I’m STILL laugh­ing… :lol:

  8. Fili

    The ‘Arab Spring’ is too gen­eral a ques­tion. Each coun­try is a dif­fer­ent sit­u­a­tion and sce­nario. There are over-​​arching sim­i­lar­i­ties, but also major differences.

    The change is gen­er­ally prob­a­bly a good thing, but that will be ulti­mately depend on the out­comes. Who ends up in charge will deter­mine whether a spe­cific change has been a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ thing.

    As an ideal, the over­throw of tyrants is always a good thing. As a prac­ti­cal mat­ter, it seems to always cre­ate a period of extreme vio­lence and anar­chy. But then, this too shall pass.

  9. @Gator The change is gen­er­ally prob­a­bly a good thing, but that will be ul­ti­mately de­pend on the outcomes.

    Thank you Gator. That’s a bal­anced answer. You’re point­ing out the pos­i­tives AND the neg­a­tives, which is fair.

    So would it be also fair to say that dur­ing George Bush’s pres­i­dency, con­ser­v­a­tives (col­lec­tively speak­ing) con­cen­trated only on the pos­i­tives of bring­ing democ­racy to the region, but now when Obama is respon­si­ble, they (again, speak­ing col­lec­tively) are con­cen­trat­ing only on the negatives?

  10. Rather like the Dems did with Bush. That is the way of the polit­i­cal world. The shit flows uphill when you are the Prez. Same for either party.

  11. @Gator… Rather like the Dems did with Bush.

    Maybe I’m remem­ber­ing through a par­ti­san fil­ter, but I don’t recall that Dems were opposed to Bush’s dream of democ­racy in the the Mid­dle East.

    Sure, they didn’t believe democ­racy could be imposed by force of arms, buts that’s an entirely dif­fer­ent thing. It’s sim­ply quib­bling over the means, not sud­denly dis­miss­ing the entire goal as some­thing not worth strug­gling for (as con­ser­v­a­tives now seem to be doing.)

  12. No Gator I don’t think so. Bush was sup­ported when he went after Al– Qaeda in Afgan­istan. He drew more sup­port than he should have had when he went into Iraq but there were many (myself included) that had some seri­ous issues with how it went down and then how it played out but the vast major­ity sup­ported the troops and just wanted us out of the mess as it dragged on and on.

    The prob­lem today is that we have many in this coun­try that want sim­plis­tic answers and solu­tions to very com­pli­cated issues. And to make mat­ters worse they want to see every thing through a lens of what is best for Israel in a nar­row sense and not in a sense of long term good for the region and by exten­sion Israel.

    I would love for how things played out in Tune­sia and Egypt (yes I know game not yet over) to ave occured in Libya, Yea­men and Syria but the last three are not the first two and it is going to unfold dif­fer­ently. For us to try a one size fits all approach would be fool­ish. My dear old dad used to do police work way back when and some times when called alone to a bar brawl he would sit and watch for a bit until he fig­ured out who needed a good thump­ing and who just needed to get thrown out the door and who would return to their drinks qui­etly if the insti­ga­tors were sorted out. We are I am afraid in that mode right now in the last three coun­tries men­tioned. Our prob­lem is we have an entire fac­tion here that wants it just one way.

  13. There are an awful lot of con­ser­v­a­tives who are more afraid of jihadism than they are sup­port­ive of democ­racy. Democ­racy in the Mid­dle East involves accept­ing that Islamist move­ments like the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood and Hamas are going to be run­ning in elec­tions and some­times win­ning them. Democ­racy as in, “sec­u­lar, pro­gres­sive democ­racy that sup­ports Israel,” is a lot dif­fer­ent from the real­ity of democ­racy in the Arab world, which is going to involve a lot of reli­gious par­ties and a sub­stan­tial hard­en­ing of the Arab line towards Israel.

    This is not nec­es­sar­ily some­thing to be afraid of. But it goes a way towards explain­ing why a lot of promi­nent con­ser­v­a­tives are afraid of the Arab Spring.

  14. For the most part, I am mostly a lurker and the rea­son for this can be seen in all the pre­vi­ous com­ments. Splen­didly written,concise,to the point with an insight that has me agree­ing with them all even though a few present oppos­ing views.

  15. AW.. well put. What puz­zles me is the fact that the same peo­ple who want “sec­u­lar, pro­gres­sive democ­racy ” in the Mid­dle East seem bent on impos­ing a con­ser­v­a­tive reac­tionary theoc­racy here at home.

    Go fig­ure, eh? Peo­ple are so strange.

    Marc, whether you post much or not, I just love hav­ing you here with us :-)

  16. I agree with many who hold the opin­ion that the Gop is not inter­ested in sub­mit­ting leg­is­la­tion to get us out of this mess {eco­nom­i­cal} we find our­selves in. That their strat­egy is to obstruct,delay and sub­vert any ini­tia­tive that comes from the Dem side. I dont think we didnt expect that how­ever Didnt the amer­i­can vot­ers real­ize what they were get­ting when they gave a land­slide to the Repub­li­cans in 2010 ? Can the peo­ple be that naïve or are they in actu­al­ity quite aware of what they were doing . Is it pos­si­ble many dems sat out the elec­tion to protest the Move to the right by Obama{ Gitmo, pub­lic option, afghanistan and his Quixotic search for compromise}

  17. fil­istro,

    What puz­zles me is the fact that the same peo­ple who want “sec­u­lar, pro­gres­sive democ­racy ” in the Mid­dle East seem bent on im­pos­ing a con­ser­v­a­tive re­ac­tionary theoc­racy here at home.

    Are they the same peo­ple? Yes, both groups tend to vote Repub­li­can, but the polls I’ve looked at show that, while those who want a con­ser­v­a­tive theoc­racy in the US over­hwelmigly vote Repub­li­can, they also do not rep­re­sent a major­ity of the party.

  18. Michael, you always take me so lit­er­ally ;-)

    Okay, per­haps “con­ser­v­a­tive reac­tionary theoc­racy” is a wee bit hyperbolic.

    How­ever, I do think there would be a lot of over­lap between those who agree with the state­ment “Amer­ica should be a Chris­t­ian nation” and those who think Mid­dle East coun­tries will only be non-​​threatening if they are sec­u­lar democracies.

  19. MW said: Per­haps GROG could en­lighten us?

    Is that a snarky lit­tle jab or is that a seri­ous question?

  20. Re: sup­port for Bush43 …

    Bush’s job approval rat­ing was 90% (9/​21/​01) ie he had Demo­c­ra­tic sup­port for just about any­thing he wanted to do, but alas, he misused/​squandered most of it.

    Remem­ber after the 2004 elec­tion: re: Bush’s polit­i­cal cap­i­tal. :roll:

    All fame is fleeting …

    Bush’s job approval rat­ing 25% (10/​3/​08, 10/​10/​08, 10/​31/​08).

    Bush also had the high­est dis­ap­proval rat­ing in pres­i­den­tial history:

    71 (10/​10/​08) Yes Vir­ginia, worse than Nixon or Truman …

    One should never mis­un­der­es­ti­mate George W. Bush!

  21. fil­istro,

    I do think there would be a lot of over­lap be­tween those who agree with the state­ment “Amer­ica should be a Chris­t­ian na­tion” and those who think Mid­dle East coun­tries will only be non-​​​​threatening if they are sec­u­lar democracies.

    Based on what?

  22. GROG,

    Is that a snarky lit­tle jab or is that a se­ri­ous question?

    Seri­ous ques­tion. It’s the same thing I called you out on before. They’re paint­ing con­ser­v­a­tives with a par­tic­u­lar brush, and none of them are con­ser­v­a­tive. So, since con­ser­v­a­tives are a par­tic­u­larly rare species around here (espe­cially since rgbact seems to have dis­ap­peared), I fig­ured you’d be able to pro­vide a more accu­rate viewpoint.

  23. @Michael… Based on what?

    Per­sonal prej­u­dice? Wide read­ing? Con­ver­sa­tions on airplanes?

    Who knows what makes all of us think what we do? This is just what *I* think.

    (Note that I didn’t say “I know”… but “I think.”)

  24. The prob­lem for Reps in a nutshell:

    Self-​​professed con­ser­v­a­tives once they get elected, more often than not, don’t act like self-​​professed conservatives.

    They use it only as a tool to get elected, but gov­ern­ing is quite a dif­fer­ent ani­mal, eh.

    ie they rail against abor­tion 24/​7, but really don’t want Roe v. Wade overturned.

    As Bar­tles would say ~ Ain’t gov­ern­ing a bitch!

    and so it goes …

  25. fil­istro,
    Yes, I did note that. I was just try­ing to fig­ure out if this was your per­sonal prej­u­dice talk­ing. Sounds like it is. One thing I hope for us to do over time is set aside those per­sonal prej­u­dices as much as pos­si­ble. We all hold a lot of them.

  26. @Michael… I was just try­ing to fig­ure out if this was your per­sonal prej­u­dice talk­ing. Sounds like it is. One thing I hope for us to do over time is set aside those per­sonal prej­u­dices as much as possible.

    Yes, I am strongly prej­u­diced against peo­ple who try to intro­duce their reli­gion into politics.

    And I doubt if this is a prej­u­dice I will ever “set aside” because I am con­vinced reli­gion in pol­i­tics does great harm to any free nation.

  27. fil­istro,

    I am strongly prej­u­diced against peo­ple who try to in­tro­duce their re­li­gion into politics.

    Sure. You have a neg­a­tive asso­ci­a­tion with them. I get that. But I doubt you think that most such peo­ple are axe mur­der­ers. Nor, then, is there any par­tic­u­lar rea­son to assume that most such peo­ple are in favor of sec­u­lar democ­ra­cies in the Mid­dle East.

  28. @Michael… But I doubt you think that most such peo­ple are axe mur­der­ers. Nor, then, is there any par­tic­u­lar rea­son to as­sume that most such peo­ple are in fa­vor of sec­u­lar democ­ra­cies in the Mid­dle East.

    So… only axe mur­der­ers are in favor of sec­u­lar democ­ra­cies in the ME?

    Jeez, who knew? ;-)

  29. My expe­ri­ence with the ultra-​​religious is that, given the right reli­gious jus­ti­fi­ca­tion, and an axe, well, let’s just say that I’d rather not take the chance on them act­ing rationally…

  30. Michael I live in and around any num­ber of very con­ser­v­a­tive Chris­t­ian con­ser­v­a­tives. For what ever rea­son they almost to a per­son are staunch sup­port­ers of Israel but are at best dis­mis­sive of local Jews. They are very much in favor of a sec­u­lar gov­ern­ment any where over there if it means Mus­lims get dem­i­nished. A very nar­row sam­pling to be sure and just my expe­ri­ence but it mir­rors other com­ments on here.

  31. Short­chain opined:

    My ex­pe­ri­ence with the ultra-​​​​religious is that, given the right re­li­gious jus­ti­fi­ca­tion, and an axe, well, let’s just say that I’d rather not take the chance on them act­ing rationally…

    My favorite movie pon­der­ing this “what if” ques­tion is Frailty, star­ring Bill Pax­ton as a man who believes that he can see demons and must destroy them in self-​​defense. Yes, an ax is involved.

    It’s a true mind-​​bending hor­ror movie, in the same way Repul­sion is what I would call “true” hor­ror. Not just guys in hockey masks that can’t die, but the idea that your own brain can turn against you and become your enemy.

  32. Speakin’ of Israel,

    The idea that Con­gress would invite a for­eign leader to give a speech before a joint ses­sion and then receive him rap­tur­ously as he tells the Pres­i­dent to go screw him­self is absolutely shame­ful. And they won­der why their approval rat­ings are so low.

    I’ve slowly come around to the opin­ion that our man­i­fest good­will has been wasted on the Israelis. Maybe let­ting the UN han­dle the sit­u­a­tion for a year would restore their respect for their Amer­i­can patrons and their will­ing­ness to make a gen­uine peace.

  33. @Michael and Fili,

    I for one, believe a free and pros­per­ous peo­ple are a peace­ful peo­ple. I agreed with the Bush admin­is­tra­tion in that regard and I believe a lot of the upris­ings in the Mid­dle East are a result of the United States’ fight against ter­ror­ism over the past 10 years.

    Bush’s mis­take was that he thought this would take months or a cou­ple of years, not a decade. It may take another decade to see how it all plays out.

  34. @GROG.. I for one, be­lieve a free and pros­per­ous peo­ple are a peace­ful people

    I was pretty sure you were one per­son whose beliefs would not change depend­ing on who was in the White House.

    Thank you for once again for con­firm­ing my faith in you :-)