The Democratic Media Notes the Emperor’s Lack of Wardrobe
During the 2008 presidential campaign, the Democratic media’s obsequiously worshipful coverage of Barack Obama reached the point of Saturday Night Live parody.
Then during the first half of the Obama Administration, the Democratic media could be relied upon to stubbornly defend all of the President’s policies and overlook the dozens of campaign promises he broke. However, the mood of Barack Obama’s media fan boys and girls palpably changed by the summer of 2011.
One of Obama’s most faithful and enthusiastic cheerleaders, The New York Times’ Maureen Dowd, penned an absolutely scathing op-ed entitled entitled Why Is He Bi? (Sigh) discovering to her horror that Barack Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth:
Our president likes to be on both sides at once.
In Afghanistan, he wants to go but he wants to stay. He’s surging and withdrawing simultaneously. He’s leaving fewer troops than are needed for a counterinsurgency strategy and more troops than are needed for a counterterrorism strategy — and he seems to want both strategies at the same time. Our work is done but we have to still be there. Our work isn’t done but we can go.
On Libya, President Obama wants to lead from behind. He’s engaging in hostilities against Qaddafi while telling Congress he’s not engaging in hostilities against Qaddafi.
On the budget, he wants to cut spending and increase spending. On the environment, he wants to increase energy production but is reluctant to drill. On health care, he wants to get everybody covered but will not press for a universal system. On Wall Street, he assails fat cats, but at cocktail parties, he wants to collect some of their fat for his campaign.
On politics, he likes to be friends with the other side but bash ’em at the same time. For others, bipartisanship means transcending their own prior political identities. For President Obama, it means that he participates in all political identities. He does not seem deeply affiliated with any side except his own.
President Obama’s performance in his June 29, 2011 press conference further appalled his media supporters. When asked about his lack of participation in the negotiations to cut spending and raise the debt ceiling, the President arrogantly dismissed the complaint: “I am very amused when I start hearing comments about ‘well the President needs to show more leadership on this.’” Then Obama attacked Congress for going home to their constituents during the July 4th holiday weekend instead of cutting a deal on spending and the debt. What the President left unsaid is that he has spent most of the past month at fundraisers and playing golf and is off to yet another vacation.
The next morning, CNN’s Gloria Borger asked: Where are the adults in Washington?
Call me old-fashioned, but when the president and congressional leaders get into a tussle over who should be “leading” the country in matters of real national consequence, I feel like sending them to their rooms.
“Call me naïve,” President Obama said at his news conference today. “But my expectation is that leaders are going to lead.“
Mine, too.So imagine my surprise when the president came to his own press conference — which he called — without anything much new to say on possible ways get to a deal to raise the national debt ceiling. Plenty of talk about gamesmanship, about deadlines and about how even Sasha and Malia are mature enough to do their schoolwork before it’s due…
What might actually have counted as news is if the president, as the nation’s leader, had proposed a definitive way out of the budget mess — or at least drawn some lines in the sand.
MSNBC’s Mark Halperin was decidedly less polite in his choice of words to describe what he considered the President’s effort to sabotage the debt negotiations and blame the Republicans, using the four-letter slang term for a male penis to describe the President’s behavior at the news conference.
My only question is, what took you so long?
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#3 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
Poor Bart. He ACTUALLY believes Fox to be “fair and balanced”. Though Fox is a handmaiden to the GOP/TeaParty. (I almost went the Halperin route and said “handjob”)
Thus when he sees media ACTUALLY being “fair and balanced” by giving BOTH sides, complimentary AND critical, of Obama, he simply has no real foundation on which to build his ideological house.
He simply cannot relate. Now, so used to the one=sided Fox slant, he thinks the media is totally against the Prez. How else could it be?
So sad.
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Obama attacked Congress for going home to their constituents during the July 4th holiday weekend instead of cutting a deal on spending and the debt. What the President left unsaid is that he has spent most of the past month at fundraisers and playing golf and is off to yet another vacation.
It is amusing. Conservatives like to remind us that the Reagan deficit was not Reagan’s fault, because Congress is solely responsible for the budget. Yet Obama is supposed to single-handedly force the Republicans to raise the debt limit and to pass next year’s budget. It is to chuckle.
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#5 written by rgbact 1 year ago
As I mentioned before, I’ve been getting a more negative lib vibe on Morning Joe (the only MSNBC show I can tolerate anymore), Even Morning Mika said today that they have been getting complaints from unnamed sources (ie the White House) that they have been too anti-Obama lately. Mika said they just can’t find as many Obama supporters to be on the show anymore. Yikes!
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rgbact, there have been progressives criticizing Obama since the inauguration. Democrats are anything if not democratic — that is, we have a big tent, and allow many varied voices.
As for “Morning Joe” — you do realize that Joe Scarborough is a Republican, right? Wikipedia — Scarborough served in the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 2001 as a Republican from the 1st district of Florida. Do you really think his program ever had a progressive slant?
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#7 written by rgbact 1 year ago
DC–
I know Scarborough is conservative.…thats how I can tolerate watching it. He says his guests are majority libs though. It also was interesting to find out that Jay Carney called them about Halperin’s comment and evidently had also noted that they were’nt showing as much Obama love as in months past, which I’ve noticed too.
Btw, I mostly blame Reid, not Obama. You’re right–Obama can’t do Congress’s job.….and the Senate is basically dysfunctional right now. They expect Obama will save the day.
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#9 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
If any of y’all “fair-minded” conservative folk had an inclination towards expanding your limits, all y’all would have noticed, on MSNBC alone:
Lawrence O’Donnell
Dylan Ratigan
Cenk Uygur
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Ed ShultzHave ALL been critical of the Prez NUMEROUS times over the past YEAR!!!!
But what with them ideological blinder y’all keep on ALL the time, y’all just never noticed.
Dems and progressives ARE the ones with the big tent. Notice you NEVER hear the term “DINO”?
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rgbact
Btw, I mostly blame Reid, not Obama. You’re right–Obama can’t do Congress’s job.….and the Senate is basically dysfunctional right now. They expect Obama will save the day.Well, we have a point of agreement there! Though I suspect you and I would want different things out of Reid. But yes, I agree — it is Congress’ responsibility to handle the budget. Since they seem incapable of doing so, the President must step in — as he is doing. I appreciated his willingness to slap them all upside the head.
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Bart reminds me of Elaine on Seinfeld. Whenever she had an unpleasant detail she wanted to gloss over quickly, she would say “yadda yadda yadda.”
That’s what Bart does. “The economy hasn’t recovered, people are still upset, some of the lefty base is mad at Obama, and… yadda yadda yadda… we win the White House!”
The bit he skips over so blithely is the part where they find a candidate acceptable to more than half the country… when they can’t even agree on one that’s acceptable to half of their own party.
But you go for it, Bart. It’s a heck of a plan. “We come together in a group hug, we nominate Bachmann, and… yaddda yadda yadda… VICTORY!”
LOL.
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Bart reminds me of Elaine on Seinfeld. Whenever she had an unpleasant detail she wanted to gloss over quickly, she would say “yadda yadda yadda.”
That’s what Bart does. “The economy hasn’t recovered, people are still upset, some of the lefty base is mad at Obama, and… yadda yadda yadda… we win the White House!”
More like the Underpants Gnomes:
Phase 1. Criticize everything the President does.
Phase 2. ?
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Good thing I wasn’t the editor!
Liberal editors are very liberal er empathetic when it comes to conservative drivel!
That’s the way we roll. Res ipsa loquitur and all that.
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filistro:
Bart reminds me of Elaine on Seinfeld. Whenever she had an unpleasant detail she wanted to gloss over quickly, she would say “yadda yadda yadda.”
That’s what Bart does. “The economy hasn’t recovered, people are still upset, some of the lefty base is mad at Obama, and… yadda yadda yadda… we win the White House!”Nah, the Dem media will all be back on the reservation in time for the campaign. The volume of the current whining in such a short period of time was something to note and sure to drive my progressive friends nuts.
Max aka Birdpilot:
If any of y’all “fair-minded” conservative folk had an inclination towards expanding your limits, all y’all would have noticed, on MSNBC alone:
Lawrence O’Donnell
Dylan Ratigan
Cenk Uygur
AND
Ed Shultz
Have ALL been critical of the Prez NUMEROUS times over the past YEAR!!!!
But what with them ideological blinder y’all keep on ALL the time, y’all just never noticed.
Dems and progressives ARE the ones with the big tent. Notice you NEVER hear the term “DINO”?There is a substantial difference between left wingnuts complaining that their Prez has not imposed a socialist state by decree and reporters noting that their Prez is a two faced dick.
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#25 written by Jean 1 year ago
The 24⁄7 media, whether right or left, has hours and hours of TV time to fill, thus is looking for the quick sound-bite for the next news cycle — all the better if it’s a sensational or controversial sound-bite. No surprise there. The media is not interested in what Barack Obama has accomplished or is attempting to accomplish, MUCH LESS HOW HE ACCOMPLISHED IT. That would be b-o-r-i-n-g and take too much TV time in the real-time 24⁄7 media environment.
So of course Maureen Dowd says “For President Obama, it means that he participates in all political identities. He does not seem deeply affiliated with any side except his own.” The operative words here, which she states but she and other media pundits do not seem to understand is that “He does not seem deeply affiliated with any side EXCEPT HIS OWN.”
Bingo! That is exactly how Barack Obama has accomplished his goals.
Let’s take LGBT as an example. As one commenter at the NYT article stated, “I think it is a bit much to suggest that Obama, who has done more to advance policies supporting LGBT equality than any other President, is somehow not standing up on this issue. Keep in mind that this Administration kept its promise to end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, has required all hospitals that accept Medicare or Medicaid to ensure equal visitation rights to LGBT Americans, extended employee benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees, and lifted the HIV Entry Ban. We still have a far ways to go to achieve full equality in the U.S., but let’s keep in mind that President Obama’s Administration has been a friend on these issues, not an enemy or a passive bystander.”
It’s how he rolls, Bart. And I suspect the media’s opinion is not much of a concern to President Obama. Leadership may be about fighting for what one thinks is right, but there is no “right” way to accomplish your goal. You have to look at results, not how those results were accomplished. And Barack Obama’s results, so far, are significant.
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@Bart… Nah, the Dem media will all be back on the reservation in time for the campaign.
Well, you’d better hope so. Otherwise, whom will you blame for your inevitable defeat? Because it can’t possibly be your ineffectual candidates or your unpopular policies… right?
.…. and reporters noting that their Prez is a two faced dick.
As I mentioned earlier today… you really shouldn’t get so excited about Halperin. Three years ago during the Dem primary, ON AIR with Barbara Walters, Halperin called then-candidate Obama a “pussy.” So by moving him up to “dick” status, one would assume he has (in his own tiny mind) actually given the president a promotion… of sorts.
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Monotreme:
Bart, would you classify “Saturday Night Live” as part of the “Dem” (since you seem unable to use the entire word) and/or “liberal” and/or “progressive” media?In its satire, SNL leans far harder against the GOP and conservatives. SNL will zing the foibles of Dem and progressive political figures, but almost always portrays conservatives as morons and ditzes. Typical Dem media worldview.
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There is a substantial difference between left wingnuts complaining that their Prez has not imposed a socialist state by decree and reporters noting that their Prez is a two faced dick.
I agree. Left wing nuts want Obama to be the leftist Bush. That is, a president who ignores the Constitution, and who forces an agenda on America despite the law and the rules America operates on. This is allowed (that is, the opinion is allowed), because in America, we embrace freedom of speech, and plurality of viewpoint. (The actual idea of a president ignoring the Constitution as Republican presidents do, on the other hand, is impeachable — whether Congress has the balls to do it or not.)
In contrast, “reporters” who call any president a “two faced dick” are not doing their job. They are supposed to report, not opine. People who pretend to be “reporters” and who opine on politics should be stripped of their credentials. Which means all of FOX “News” should be relegated to The Entertainment Channel.
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The 24⁄7 media, whether right or left, has hours and hours of TV time to fill, thus is looking for the quick sound-bite for the next news cycle
Again, “we” need more pundits, 99.9% of which have a keen grasp of the obvious when they, er conservatives like Halperin, are not calling the president childish names.
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Also, “we” need more die hard conservative bloggers like Bart, just because.
ok, ok, for the entertainment value alone …
Death, taxes, Bart
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Jean:
So of course Maureen Dowd says “For President Obama, it means that he participates in all political identities. He does not seem deeply affiliated with any side except his own.” The operative words here, which she states but she and other media pundits do not seem to understand is that “He does not seem deeply affiliated with any side EXCEPT HIS OWN.”
Bingo! That is exactly how Barack Obama has accomplished his goals. It’s how he rolls, Bart…You have to look at results, not how those results were accomplished. And Barack Obama’s results, so far, are significant.I agree with much of your take, but probably not for your reasons.
Under Max Shachtman and Michael Harrington in the 1960s, the Socialist Party adopted a policy of realignment where socialists would run as Dem progressives to transform the Dems into a Euro-socialist party. Harrington later broke away to create the Democratic Socialists of America to continue this policy. The DSA was one of Obama’s earliest and most enthusiastic patrons. Obama was a member of the DSA New Party during his campaign for the Illinois Senate and directed millions in foundation money to DSA and ACORN causes.
Obama was the perfect realignment socialist candidate because he is very talented at appearing nearly apolitical to general audiences, telling special interest groups what they wanted to hear and then governing as he pleased to implement a largely socialist agenda.
Over the first half of his term when he enjoyed a pliant Dem supermajority in Congress and a completely credulous media, Obama’s strategy achieved very significant results indeed. I argue in my book that Obama is the most successful president on the left since FDR.
Obama’s current problem with the Dem press is like a bigamist who has several wives that are just discovering one another. Even these fan boys and girls are finally picking up on the fact that Obama is only telling them what they want to hear. They are less concerned with why Obama is lying to them than with the fact that he is serially lying to them. As I noted above, the Dem media will get over being used and get back on the team by campaign season.
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Bart said (I paraphrase):
Karl Marx liked peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Barack Obama likes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Therefore, Obama is a Marxist.
Very convincing line of argument, that.
I’m still waiting for that link which you claim I deleted. I’m happy to restore it, if you can find it.
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Bart, your declarations of “fact” are amusing. That you imagine your fantasies are true is worth a :::chuckle:::
Over the first half of his term when he enjoyed a pliant Dem supermajority in Congress and a completely credulous media,
No one who actually lived through the last three years could see this as anything other than humor. You need to go on tour with your standup act. “Pliant”? “Credulous”? I swear, that’s comedy gold.
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Monotreme:
I’m still waiting for that link which you claim I deleted. I’m happy to restore it, if you can find it.I never accused you of intentionally deleting anything.
I emailed you the embed codes to the SNL skit and the Halperin clip along with notes on where to insert them an hour or so ago.
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#37 written by Jean 1 year ago
Oh, Bart. Quit looking for a socialist or Marxist behind every corner.
So far as your Chicago DSA connection, as wiki states ” Barack Obama’s first known contact with Chicago Democratic Socialists of America occurred in 1992, shortly after he returned to Chicago, from his studies at Harvard.
Chicago City Clerk Miguel Del Valle, a long time DSA associate, told the 2008 Democratic Party convention of his first meeting with Barack Obama;
I first heard of Barack back in 1992. The year 1992 was a little like 2008. Then, as now, we needed to save the country from the misguided policies of a president named Bush. I was working with my old friend, Lou Pardo, a retired machinist, on an effort to register Latino voters in Chicago. One day, we were talking about how we could reach more voters and cover more ground, but we needed more resources. Lou told me we should go see Barack Obama, who was directing a voter-registration drive called Project Vote. So Lou met with Barack and, without missing a beat, Barack Obama helped us out. Barack Obama made sure that the thousands of Latinos in Chicago were registered to vote. He helped empower the Latino community and ensure that we were full participants in our democracy. ”
And Barack Obama observed that Martin Luther King’s March on Washington in the 1960s wasn’t simply about civil rights but “demanded jobs as well”. One of the themes that has emerged in Barack Obama’s campaign is ‚as he stated, “what does it take to create productive communities”, not just consumptive communities. It is an issue that joins some of the best instincts of the conservatives with the better instincts of the left.”
There again, Bart, is the pragmatism of “the joining some of the best instincts of the conservatives with the better instincts of the left.”
And that is what drives both the far left and the far right nuts. But that is exactly what the middle-ground — those sought after independents, want and vote for.
So, Bart, explain to me how a voter-registration project to save the country from the misguided policies of a president named Bush is a Socialist agenda? In retrospect, most Americans today — even conservatives, would agree that Bush’s policies were, at the very least, “misguided”.
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Jean,
Bart uses “socialist” as a meaningless cuss-word to insult Obama with. Bart imagines he can make a name by “proving” a “socialist” connection between Obama and … well, Satan. It’s just Bart’s way of saying “Obama is a poopyhead and he’s poopy and he dresses funny and he’s poopy!” because Bart has nothing actually substantive to say about Obama.
If Bart can scare people into thinking Obama is socialpoopyist, then he thinks maybe we can have a Republican corporatist president, because Bart worships humanity’s betters (rich people) and wants them to run America.
Don’t try to make sense of it.
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#40 written by Jean 1 year ago
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#41 written by Jean 1 year ago
And speaking of pragmatism, as Mark Dayton noted, when heckled by GOP lawmakers at a press conference on Thursday, he doesn’t take it personally, noting, it “Says more about them than me”.
And of course, if Bart were in Minnesota the major back-ups on I-94 now would be Mark Dayton’s fault, though in reality they are because of pavement buckling from the heat.
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Monotreme,
I believe we now have an answer to the question:
Is there a reason the classic SNL video of the press sucking up to Obama and ignoring Hillary was omitted from the lead article?
The answer is “yes.” To elaborate, the reason the classic video was omitted was that the author didn’t put it in there. And, in typical “Dem media” fashion, you as the editor neglected to fix his oversight for him…which apparently you were supposed to know he wanted fixed.
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#44 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
Another example of a cheap shyster trick by a practicing attorney who thinks non-attorneys are stupid, and ideological opponents are ignorant.
The old “guilt by association” ruse of trying to tie Obama to the DSA and thus Obama is a socialist.
Bart, Bart, Bart. You are an ass, long eared and stubborn. As an attorney, you should know better, but the stubborn ass comes through. Ie:
Bart, as an attorney, make the principle focus of his practice defending DWI cases.
On a daily basis Bart associates almost CONSTANTLY with people charged with DWI and in some cases reckless operation of a vehicle, some of who are found GUILT of the crime..
Because he spends SO MUCH TIME with reckless drunks, then QED, Bart HAS TO BE A RECKLESS DRUNK himself!Guilt by association. Turnabout is fair play. YOU opened the door, counselor.
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Jean:
Oh, Bart. Quit looking for a socialist or Marxist behind every corner.
So far as your Chicago DSA connection, as wiki states ” Barack Obama’s first known contact with Chicago Democratic Socialists of America occurred in 1992, shortly after he returned to Chicago, from his studies at Harvard.Wiki is to investigative journalism what See Jack Run is to literature.
Based on the DSA’s own records, Barack Obama’s first known contacts with the DSA was in attending the April 1983 Marx Centennial Coopers Union Socialist Scholars Conference and probably the subsequent 1984 and 1985 conferences. This is where he got turned onto being a community organizer. Obama passingly references this in his Dreams from my Father autobiography.
Max aka Birdpilot:
The old “guilt by association” ruse of trying to tie Obama to the DSA and thus Obama is a socialist.Obama was thoroughly marinated in socialism and communism from his childhood and became a radical while attending university. Obama affirmatively sought out the communists and socialists at Occidental and his later universities because he did not want to be thought of as a sellout. Indeed, at one point Obama’s sister Maya thought Barry was becoming a “freak.”
This has been well documented in other books. I only dedicate a chapter to Obama’s life before the Presidency in my book because I spend most of my time tracing the evolution of American socialism and how Obama applied it in his policies.
dcpetterson:
Jean,
Bart uses “socialist” as a meaningless cuss-word to insult Obama with.In reality, the forward of my book rejects several conservative pundits’ claims that Obama is a socialist without offering evidence as useless name calling. My approach looks at Obama’s acts and how they very pragmatically apply the evolving principles of American socialism to achieve Obama’s goals. The analysis is supported by 729 footnotes. You may disagree with my analysis, but that analysis is very thoroughly supported.
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Michael Weiss:
Monotreme,
I believe we now have an answer to the question:Is there a reason the classic SNL video of the press sucking up to Obama and ignoring Hillary was omitted from the lead article?
The answer is “yes.” To elaborate, the reason the classic video was omitted was that the author didn’t put it in there. And, in typical “Dem media” fashion, you as the editor neglected to fix his oversight for him…which apparently you were supposed to know he wanted fixed.
Michael, that claim is vary curious since I cut and pasted the entire HTML from the cross post at my blog with the videos and previewed the article to ensure that everything arrived in working order. If you want to continue this discussion, lets exchange emails.
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Is the Dem media the only 2008 Obama supporters who now note his lack of wardrobe? The
Financial Times offered an article on Michelle Bachmann today with this very interesting observation:Last year, in the lead-up to the 2010 congressional election, Bachmann raised $13.5m, more than any other member of the House of Representatives. This year, only one Republican in the House – Speaker Boehner – has raised more than she has. In both cases, the vast majority of the money came from donations of less than $200 each, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. But they are just the kind of contributions that matter. Kent Sorenson says such small donations translate into votes and activist support, and are more valuable than the larger ones that are pouring into Mitt Romney’s coffers from wealthy individuals. “In the last reporting period, Michele had more small donors than Obama did,” he says. “She is the only one out there that can rival that.”
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Oh, Bart.
Fundraising numbers released in June show the entire Republican field has raised about half their combined quarterly goal of $60 million.
Yet those preliminary figures seem to show a Republican field still struggling to bring in dollars in a race that will pit one of them against President Obama, the most successful political fund-raiser in history. During the same quarter in 2007, in a race that started earlier and heated up more quickly, the top 10 Republican candidates had raised a total of about $51 million.
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filistro:
Oh, Bart.
Fundraising numbers released in June show the entire Republican field has raised about half their combined quarterly goal of $60 million.Yet those preliminary figures seem to show a Republican field still struggling to bring in dollars in a race that will pit one of them against President Obama, the most successful political fund-raiser in history. During the same quarter in 2007, in a race that started earlier and heated up more quickly, the top 10 Republican candidates had raised a total of about $51 million.
Bachmann just announced last week. The FT figures are for her as a member of Congress. Indeed, many of the GOP contenders have not been official candidates for part or most of the last quarter.
In any case, the point was that an Obama 2008 campaign driven in large part by its internet small donation fundraising is now having a problem matching numbers with a mere Congresswoman from the MN who is spun as a marginal candidate.
In reality, the Tea Party in general and Michelle Bachman in particular stole generously from the Obama 2008 campaign fundraising model and are fueling that model with a very fired up grassroots base of donors. Bachmann as been re-plowing nearly all of her donations back into building up her database of donors.
Obama’s problem is that his previous donor base is disappointed, dispirited and in many cases with his youth and minority small donors unemployed.
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#51 written by Jean 1 year ago
Another interesting observation:
Tom Beaumont writes up the first day of Michele Bachmann’s Iowa bus trip, and underscores her biggest problem as the Ames Straw Poll draws near — her sudden popularity heavily outweighing her organizational strength to date for an event that is a major test of just that.
“I have every confidence our team is going to deliver,” Bachmann told The Associated Press after meeting about 100 supporters and politically curious Iowans at a stop in Marshalltown. “I am going to be here in Iowa campaigning all through July.”
Proof that her Iowa campaign was still coming together met Bachmann in Iowa City, where she met about 100 weekend breakfast regulars and Republican activists at the Bluebird Diner near the University of Iowa. Local resident Sheila Reiland told Bachmann’s campaign chairman in the crowded diner that she signed up last week on Bachmann’s website to volunteer but had heard nothing from any campaign staff. “She is my candidate, and I want to do what I can to help her,” said Reiland, a registered nurse who went to Washington, D.C., this year to attend a health care rally Bachmann headlined. “But I haven’t heard anything back.”
Bachmann’s team is moving to capitalize on her strength with key swaths of conservative voters, evangelicals and home-schoolers among them.
But organization — and an ability to capitalize on the intensity her supporters feel about her — is a key factor. And as of now, the top-tier hopeful whose struggles with voters and with donors have earned major headlines, Tim Pawlenty, still has the strongest organization in the state.”
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Bachmann just announced last week.
And w/the increased scrutiny in less than a week she’s already a bigger laughingstock than mama grizzly ie she’s DOA.
But, but, but even after Jim and Tammy Fae’s nationwide scandal, there were still old folk sending them $$$, so a few dinars should be going her way even though she’s a non-starter.
Again, “you can put lipstick on a hog and call it Monique, but it’s still a pig.”
Bottom line, another Republican embarrassment as she further weakens the field, if possible …
Bartles, keep hope alive!
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Good grief, Bart. You’re just being ridiculous.
You honestly, truly believe more than half of the American electorate is going to cast their presidential vote for a person who is on video stating that “members of Congress should be investigated for their anti-American views?”
You should stop drinking that tea. It’s making you come dangerously unhinged. I used to be impressed by the logical working of your mind, but now I’m really starting to worry about you.
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Jean:
Bachmann has the following and the money. Organization is going to be her major challenge as a member of Congress without a statewide nevertheless national campaign apparatus.
What will be interesting to see is if Bachmann can leverage the Tea Party network as did Scott Brown. Even if she can, Bachmann will still need a traditional national campaign structure.
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Despite my previous remarks to Bart… I won’t be completely surprised if Michele Bachmann gets the nomination. I still think it will be Pawlenty.… but nothing about this current, badly-split and barely-sane Republican party is out of the question anymore.
And if she does become the candidate… we could actually witness a 50-state sweep.
All you Minnesotans out there.. could she win her home state?
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#56 written by rgbact 1 year ago
Fili–
So much for the awful impact of money in politics.…when you have alot of it. I guess money is only corrupting when Republicans are raising it. Anyway, I think money is overated. As Meg Whitman found out—tons of 30 second ads and high priced consultants won’t make the dogs eat the dog food. So, Obama can fundraise all he wants.…it won’t make up for his incompetence.
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#57 written by Jean 1 year ago
shiloh,
Bachmann’s a fraud who is courting the so-called conservative Republicans, teapers, evangelicals and home-schoolers. Michele may talk the teaper talk, but not everyone’s buying it. As one teaper over at Politico noted:
“I might vote for Cain or Palin if she gets in but as a teaparty member I can’t vote for Bachmann! Michele Bachmann is a million dollar welfare queen. This woman is a player and you can spot them a mile away. She knows how to play the game after all she’s been in the halls of congress for 5 years.
Bachmann doesn’t like taxes, but she worked as an attorney for the IRS. She doesn’t like government entitlements yet her husband’s clinic has recieved hundreds of thousands from Medicare. What a hypocrite! She and her husband have been gaming government programs from foster child care, to grants, to Medicaid. Not only is the Medicaid an annual, ongoing source of income for them, she lied about the grant. She said the grant was for employees not the clinic, but with further investigation it’s been learned that the clinic was given these funds with no knowledge of how the money was spent. A family farm in Wisconsin, in which Bachmann is a partner, got nearly $260,000 in federal subsidies.
She also knows how to get the sympothy vote by talking about her miscarriage she had 20 years ago in which some people say adds to her resume for President. This woman has never passed any legislation of any meaning. She has been called undisciplined, unorganized, and inept by those who have worked for her in the past years.
She was also photographed hiding in bushes at a gay rally and said she was held against her will in a bathroom by a couple lesbian women. Bachmann changed her story about the lesbian abduction several times. Could you imagine Sara Palin hiding behind bushs at a gay rally? Of course not!
Do some checking on those 23 foster kids Bachmann keeps bragging about raising! They were mostly troubled teen age girls and some only stayed for about 3 days. How can you raise a kid in 3 days?
Bachmann would not be considered for President by any normal person if the media and GOP Good Ole Boys Club did not want to get rid of Sarah Palin! And FOX NEWS I’ll choose my own candidate quit trying to push Bachmann down our throats. It’s starting to become overkill! This woman is taking us all for a ride!!”
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filistro:
Good grief, Bart. You’re just being ridiculous.
You honestly, truly believe more than half of the American electorate is going to cast their presidential vote for a person who is on video stating that “members of Congress should be investigated for their anti-American views?”Have you seen the polling on voter approval and trust in Congress and the occasional question about throwing them all out and starting over?
Middle America is royally pissed at the political class and the Bachmann statement you quoted speaks right to that anger.
You completely missed the voter tsunami I told you back in January 10 was going to plow through the political class in November 10. Believe me this anger is only getting worse because Washington is still blowing off the voters.
Go take a look at the Greenberg portion of the article I just submitted. Greenberg sees what is coming.
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@rgb.. I guess money is only corrupting when Republicans are raising it.
No… money is REALLY corrupting when it’s coming from corporations with a financial interest in the outcome, instead of citizens looking for good governance.
In campaign terms, money raised from individuals is a good measure of enthusiasm for the candidates. These low numbers on the right must be terribly worrying for GOP strategists.
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Bachmann has two things working against her:
1) The GOP is usually a next in line party which means Romney.
2) As a congresswoman, Bachmann does not have a national presence. Whether her Tea Party leadership overcomes this is an open question.
The 2012 cycle reminds me of a combination of the 1976 Reagan (Bachmann) vs. Ford (Romney) GOP primary and the 1980 general election with Obama playing the Carter role.
This one is going to be very interesting.
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filistro:
Bart.. do you believe a significant number of members of Congress have anti-American views and should be investigated for those views?Yes and no.
Yes there are a couple dozen or so members of Congress and the Senate who loathe America as it is structured. You can start with Bernie Sanders and much of the Dem Progressive caucus.
No, I would not bother having the House “investigate” these wingnuts because it is not against the law to hate your country. That is what the GOP and the alternative press is for.
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@Jean.. She also knows how to get the sympothy vote by talking about her miscarriage she had 20 years ago in which some people say adds to her resume for President. … She was also photographed hiding in bushes at a gay rally…
Hey… *I* had a miscarriage 20 years ago, too! Clearly I’m a strong candidate for high office.
(Granted, I’ve never hidden in the bushes at a gay rally but I’m prepared to do so if that’s all it takes to win the Tea Party vote…
)LOL…
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Fili:
Spend less time reading Free Republic and instead listen to what the hard left is actually saying on what used to be Air America and other venues where the are speaking to the faithful.
In this world, America and most of it’s people are hateful, bigoted, selfish tools of a corporate oligarchy who want to murder government dependents. This is not love of America as it exists.
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filistro,
All you Minnesotans out there.. could she win her home state?Bachmann cannot possibly win Minnesota. Especially not against Obama. It wouldn’t even be close. Outside of her district, she’s seen as a clown, nothing more. Add to that her husband’s militant and hateful far-far-right ultrachristian anti-gay rhetoric, and she becomes a total non-starter. The only way Bachmann can even come close is if the Republican election-rigging scheme and voter suppression efforts pan out in a big way. We’ll need to keep an eye on that.
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Bart
Believe me this anger is only getting worse because Washington is still blowing off the voters.
True. Examples: We the People want Congress to raise taxes on the wealthy. Congress refuses.
We the People don’t like the Ryan plan to dismantle Medicare. Republicans voted for it almost unanimously.
We the People don’t want Congress to cut Social Security. Republicans are insisting on it.
You bet your butt we’re mad.
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#69 written by shortchain 1 year ago
filistro,
Yes, Bart is a bit over the top today — his love of America as it exists today is on clear display in what he’s written above — with a Democrat in the WH, and with good people like Bernie Sanders in the Senate, and with a mainstream media that can’t, somehow, see Obama as Bart does.
Looking back over what he’s given us lately, you have to admit that his unconditional love of America has been on prominent display recently — the country where he won’t be able, much longer, to buy the wasteful incandescent light-bulbs he loves so much. I especially love the little touches like how he makes sure to bring us every little bit of bad news about the economy.
It’s only his love of the country (as he somehow imagines it should be, a “libertarian” paradise where abortion is illegal and the military is venerated above all) that makes him see socialists (or people that might, somehow, in some circuitous fashion, be seen as socialist, if that word can somehow be defined properly) behind every sofa and under every bed.
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@shortchain… yes indeed. Some people seem to have a really odd definition of “love”… especially as it is experienced by others. If somebody is so shallow as to equate criticism and disagreement with absence of love (or, to be more precise, loathing)… then that is a person with no idea at all what “love” really is.
Perhaps this emotional bankrupt needs to study his Shakespeare a bit more:
… Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove.
O no, it is an ever-fixèd mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken… -
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Fili:
Loathing was precisely the correct word.
Go listen to them speak.
Bart, two things.
1. When arguing with filistro, it’s an important skill to know to quit when you’re ahead. You’re no longer ahead, so you’ll have to save learning that skill for next time.
2. Are you familiar with the psychological concept of “projection”? Because if you’re not, I suggest you read up on it.
No, three things.
3. You don’t know what the word “loathe” means, do you?
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Bart, two things:
1) Filistro asked your opinion on elected members of Congress. You shifted the subject to radio talk show hosts. Everyone noted the deflection.
2) Don’t even pretend to compare progressive and conservative radio talk show hosts, or to argue which side is more loathsome. Just sayin’.
No, three:
3) For a group of people who claims to love America and the Constitution just the way it is, your guys certainly keep wanting to change it.
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@Bart… I am not arguing with Fili, I am attempting to get her to look in the dark places of her ideological home she would prefer to avoid.
After all these years, Bart… you of all people should know there’s nothing I enjoy more than a complex ideological argument that involves viewing an issue from all sides.
But I do have one rule. It’s sort of my own version of Godwin’s Law. As soon as a combatant in any debate accuses the opposition of “hating their own country” or being “anti-American”… then I declare victory and end the discussion.
I won this round.
You lost.
It’s done.
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It is sad that conservatives so often play the game of “I’m more American than you!” and “Our People are the Real America!” and “if you disagree with us, you’re unAmerican,” and “anyone with a different viewpoint hates America.”
I’ve thrown some of those arguments back, because I’m sick of hearing them, and I’m making the point that ultraconservative agents of the Inquisition don’t have a monopoly on America — in fact, their narrow hatred and intolerance is contrary to the central and guiding principles of our great nation.
But putting that aside, as Filistro points out, anyone who resorts to this MxCarthyist nonsense — especially when they do it as a matter of course, as a first resort — is admitting there are no actual arguments that can be made in support of their position. It’s the whole poopyhead socialist thing. wretched political name-calling for the purpose of distracting from real issues and a consideration of real solutions.
There is no better indicator that Bachmann, Palin, Pawlenty, and most of the other Republican candidates are entirely unsuitable for public office of any kind. If they can’t make an argument that doesn’t rely on questioning the opponent’s patriotism, then they’re simply not worth talking about.
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Then why are “we” talking about them.
ok, like Britney, Lindsay, et al they are somewhat entertaining by default ie the press doesn’t want mama grizzly to run because she is presidential or in any way qualified to be C-in-C, but because she would be a cash cow to print media er adding to the already calamity of the 2012 Republican primary circus.
Except for Pawlenty lol who is soooo boring as to be invisible …
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#80 written by rgbact 1 year ago
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Newsweek’s Evan Thomas on PBS referring to Obama’s presser:
“He was a partisan. He was a God-damn Democrat”
Didn’t call him a dick, but more and more libs are openly frustrated with Obama and his non-leadership/
I’m personally so frustrated with a lack of liberal leadership that I’m going to vote for Michele Bachmann.
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#83 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
rgb,
What did you expect, non-partisan consensus building?
Oh, right. He tried that and it didn’t work.
Obama’s problem is not that he’s a bad leader. Quite the contrary. It’s that Republicans in government refuse to follow him.
To quote John Wayne on Kennedy, “I didn’t vote for him but he’s my president, and I hope he does a good job.”
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#84 written by rgbact 1 year ago
fili–
Thomas seemed frustrated.…not pumped. Given he is left leaning and called Obama god-like awhile back—I don’t know if being partisan is helping Obama with this crowd (lefties that want leadership). Its just good to know that Obama won’t be media Messiah candidate in 2012. He now has a record.
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He now has a record.
And so do the Republican controlled House or more apt a non-record as the do nothing congress.
As always, elections come down to choices, soooo mittens, timmy, Bachmann, tell me your plans to fix the economy ie continue to strip unions of bargaining rights like the newly elected Rep governors, most of whom didn’t accept govt. funds from Washington and their states unemployment is either stagnate or getting worse.
btw, when mittens was governor of MA it ranked 47th in job creation. And timmy was the governor of MN, which just shut down as he left the state in quite a mess!
Oops!
Did I mention elections come down to choices and as Mike Tyson said, Everyone has a plan until they get hit!
that is all
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dcpetterson:
“if you disagree with us, you’re unAmerican,” and “anyone with a different viewpoint hates America.”If this was the extent of your point, I would agree. The fact that Fili, you and I disagree about many points of political policy does not make any of us anti-American.
Someone is anti American when they dislike the country and its people. For example, when the right Reverend Jeremiah Wright condemns the America as the U S of KKK and calls on God to damn the country, one can fairly say Wright is anti-American.
Under this test, you can indeed find many people on the right and left who are anti-American.
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Armchair Warlord:
Obama’s problem is not that he’s a bad leader. Quite the contrary. It’s that Republicans in government refuse to follow him.We are supposed to be a representative democracy with a government implementing the will of the people.
Presidential leadership is first and foremost persuading the American people to support your policies. If a President accomplishes that, a bipartisan majority of Congress will follow.
Obama’s problem was that he failed to convince the American people to support his policies and instead the voters increasing opposed his policies and the GOP as well as many Dems followed their constituents.
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#89 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
Bart,
Your contention that the President’s policies are unpopular is non-factual.
Furthermore leadership is not a popularity contest. As a former officer you should know this as well as I do. The Executive is often called upon to make the tough decisions that the Legislature, by design, lacks the spine to.
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#90 written by rgbact 1 year ago
AW–
A leader is supposed to convince people their ideas are worth following.…not sit around and expect people to follow them out of sheer “bipartisanship”. If you make your case for HC reform over many months.….yet no Republican comes to follow you and public opinion lessens for your ideas.….at some point either your ideas or your leadership are to blame and not that people won’t follow.
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Armchair Warlord:
Bart,
Your contention that the President’s policies are unpopular is non-factual.See 2010.
Furthermore leadership is not a popularity contest. As a former officer you should know this as well as I do. The Executive is often called upon to make the tough decisions that the Legislature, by design, lacks the spine to.
My friend, we thankfully do not live under a military junta. A democracy by definition is a popularity contest.
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Bartles a few more rhetorical questions:
Is Obama gonna lose FL in 2012?
Rick Scott job approval 29%!
Is Obama gonna lose OH in 2012?
Kasich job approval 38%!
Is Obama gonna lose WI in 2012?
Scott Walker’s job approval 43%!
Is Obama gonna lose MI in 2012?
Rick Snyder job approval 33%!
etc. etc.
btw, in the 2010 mid-term wave election for Reps Rick Scott got 49% in FL and Kasich got 49% in OH.
Also, in that Rep wave election, Reid won in NV and Bennet won in CO, so Obama should do well in those purple to blue states …
One May poll by PPP found that in a hypothetical rematch between former Governor Strickland and Governor Kasich, Kasich would lose by 25 points.
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Oh yea, there was a recent referendum special election in NY-26 heavily conservative district about Reps wanting to eliminate Medicare. The Dem won!
Did I mention elections come down to choices and the recent elections of several Rep governors appears to be good news for Obama …
take care, blessings
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Shiloh:
Unless the economy undergoes a Reagan 1984 level recovery, the answers to your questions are yes, yes, yes and maybe.
Presidential reelections are referendums on the incumbent no matter how much you may wish otherwise. They are certainly not choices between the the presidential candidate of one party and the governor of another.
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#95 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
rgb,
Health care reform is wildly popular and always has been. Stop pretending it isn’t. Almost every serious difficulty involved in passing it came from the absolute Republican refusal to play ball and active Republican attempts to smear the concept.
Bart,
I thought 2010 was about a low-turnout midterm and a far-right Republican base energized to incredible levels by the GOP’s absolute opposition to the Administration. I’m sure Shiloh can provide relevant statistics.
By your standard George W. Bush was in the wrong to order the Surge. What was that idea polling in 2006, like 30%? A democracy is a popularity contest on election day — I quite fail to see why you’re backing Bill Clinton’s practice of looking at the polling for everything before taking any action.
Like I said, good leaders often need to take that hard right over the popular wrong… and I’m channeling George W. Bush here.
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#96 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
Bart,
Presidential reelections are referendums on the incumbent no matter how much you may wish otherwise. They are certainly not choices between the the presidential candidate of one party and the governor of another.
I sure as hell chose between the Presidential candidate of one party and the GOVERNOR of another in 2008.
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Bart DePalma is a solo country attorney practicing in the mountain town of Woodland Park, CO. Bart's new book "Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste - Barack Obama and the Evolution of American Socialism" is scheduled to be released during the Fall of 2011.






Sour grapes aside, it’s kinda sad when conservatives are still whining about the 2008 election.
btw Bartles, I will defend to the death your 1st Amendment right to continually moan and groan about Barack Hussein Obama, the freely elected 44th President of the United States of America!
take care