Here’s the Deal
It was a nail-biter up until the final vote, but on Monday, August 1, just hours before the Treasury-imposed deadline, the House passed legislation allowing for an increase in the debt ceiling.
The House voted 269–161 to pass the bill, once called “An Original Bill to Make a Technical Amendment to the Education Sciences Reform Act of 2002″ but now gutted and reborn as the Debt Control Act of 2011. (Roll call votes at the embedded link.) As of this writing, the Senate has scheduled a vote for noon Tuesday August 2, but passage is virtually certain.
As I watched the drama unfold, first from an unfamiliar hotel room and then in an airport waiting area, I found myself asking two questions.
1. How did this come to pass? What were the House whips doing?
2. What’s in the deal?
So, here’s the deal.
By noon Monday, Nate Silver was suggesting that the bill might fail in the House by a narrow margin, 212–219. Minority Leader Pelosi, who as a smart politician was keeping her powder dry, and her second-in-command, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, both threw their full support behind the bill in the debate on the House floor. In just three hours, that brought the whip count to 225 yeas (Silver) or 252 yeas (The Hill). Nate thought the 252 an over-estimate, but in the event, it was an under-estimate.
There may have also been a groundswell because of the return of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Arizona), who re-entered the House to thunderous applause and voted with the yeas. Clearly, the Democrats pulled out all the stops to make this happen.
What fascinated me was that rarity of recent days, where the two whips, on either side of the aisle, must have been in constant communication to ensure the measure had a sufficient number of yeas. Measures like PPACA had only one party’s support, so there was no need (for example) for the Democratic whips to know what the Republican whips were doing, since they’d assume the minority party was agin whatever was proposed. Similarly, in the 112th Congress, the Republican whips have not needed to consult with Democratic whips. But this process must have required a sort of bipartisan coöperation so that disaster could be averted. Clearly, many of the Democrats and Republicans were released to vote their conscience, or at least vote strategically. Republicans voted 174–66 in favor of the bill (slightly under The Hill’s final whip count), while Democrats split evenly at 95–95 (outperforming The Hill’s final whip count by 23 votes). The Tea Party Caucus members claimed before the vote that they would not approve a debt ceiling increase regardless of the circumstances. However, Tea Party Caucus members voted 32–28 in favor of the bill, indicating that a majority never really intended to kill the hostage in the first place. It was a bluff.
What’s in the proposal? The bill text may be found here.
For Herman Cain and others who don’t like reading legislation, former Biden advisor Jared Bernstein has blogged on what the bill means. There is a $2.4 trillion promise of reductions, but that’s over a ten-year span and I would consider such projections highly speculative. For fiscal 2012, which begins October 1, 2011, the promised reduction is a paltry $21 billion ($22 billion by some estimates, still not much). In 2013, a big jump to a $157 billion cut is mandated. Over the ten-year period, these cuts compound to over $2 trillion. These larger cuts are to be found by a bipartisan commission which has yet to be constituted.
There’s something for everyone to hate. For the Tea Party, there’s the specter of tax increases, or at least the expiration of Bush-era tax cuts, which are likely to be recommended by the bipartisan commission formed by the bill. For the left, there’s the feeling that President Obama totally capitulated to hostage-takers and predictions of a complete and utter destruction of the economy. Keynesian economists continue to insist that the economy may be driven into a second recession because of the reduction of economic stimulus. If this happens, the bill could increase rather than decrease the deficits by reducing revenue even more than spending. Bloomberg, not normally a left-leaning organization, also hates the deal. The Heritage Foundation really hates the automatic trigger provision.
Glenn Greenwald, who is well to the left of the President but a political pragmatist at heart, gives what I believe is a pretty good rundown of why the debt ceiling deal was not a capitulation by President Obama. As he says,
Obama’s so-called “bad negotiating” or “weakness” is actually “shrewd negotiation” because he’s getting what he actually wants (which, shockingly, is not always the same as what he publicly says he wants). In this case, what he wants — and has long wanted, as he’s said repeatedly in public — are drastic spending cuts. In other words, he’s willing — eager — to impose the “pain” Cohn describes on those who can least afford to bear it so that he can run for re-election as a compromise-brokering, trans-partisan deficit cutter willing to “take considerable heat from his own party.”
The bill establishes a bipartisan commission, six Democrats and six Republicans (a total of 12, with six from the House and six from the Senate), which will recommend the $1.2 trillion in promised cuts. If they fail to do so, then an automatic trigger cuts defense spending by about $50 billion (“defense” means Departments of Defense and Homeland Security under so-called Function 050) and non-defense discretionary spending by $50 billion. Medicaid, Social Security, Veterans benefits, and other entitlement/social programs would be exempt from these cuts.
Like the earlier Defense Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) Commission, the “Super-Congress” recommendations would be subject to an up-or-down vote in both houses of Congress, without any possibility of amendments.
I’m guessing that the “Super-Congress” will necessarily use the Simpson-Bowles Commission recommendations as a starting point, given the limited amount of time available to them and the importance of the task. No one wants to see the automatic trigger take a meat cleaver to the budget. I think that’s what President Obama intends, as well. I tend to side with those that think he got the best deal possible, given the weak hand he was dealt.
Related articles
- Pelosi’s Gutsy Stand (thedailybeast.com)
- House Passes Debt Limit Deal (huffingtonpost.com)
- House Democrats Not Whipping Debt Ceiling Bill (politicalwire.com)
- House of Representatives passes debt bill (guardian.co.uk)

This entry was posted by Monotreme on August 2, 2011 at 3:00 am, and is filed under Uncategorized. Follow any responses to this post through RSS 2.0.You can leave a response or trackback from your own site.
-
#2 written by rgbact 1 year ago
There’s no way around the triggers, is there? And the prospect of a $50 billion cut to defense is certainly going to make Republicans a bit more amenable to some kind of deal.
Tom Coburn was saying on Morning Joe today that he thinks they’ll find a way around the triggers. And almost noone thinks the super-committee will come to any solution. The people chosen will be likely super partisans.
-
Fili asked:
There’s no way around the triggers, is there?
I’m not an attorney, but I believe that Congress could simply amend or repeal the original bill.
Of course, this would resolve to DC’s vision (and mine) of a “clean” debt ceiling bill, since you can’t unring that bell and the debt ceiling would have been raised. That would be a bigger win for President Obama.
I honestly think he cut a pretty great deal here.
-
#4 written by Jungle Jim 1 year ago
-
@JJ… I would have preferred if automatic tax increases of some kind had come with the automatic cuts.
The “automatic tax increases” come with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, right? I can’t remember exactly when that happens. (It’s all getting to be a big unhappy blur, isn’t it?) And will that be (God forbid) another huge fight, or is letting the tax cut expire on the highest brackets pretty much a foregone conclusion by now?
It’s kind of odd, actually, that nobody mentions the expiration of those tax cuts. Because that’s going to be kind of a big deal.
Also, Treme… do you know if there’s more than one trigger point on the calendar, and when does the first trigger get pulled?
-
#7 written by Jean 1 year ago
fili,
Here’s what the White House says about the Bush Tax Cuts:
“The Enforcement Mechanism Complements the Forcing Event Already In Law – the Expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts – To Create Pressure for a Balanced Deal: The Bush tax cuts expire as of 1/1/2013, the same date that the spending sequester would go into effect. These two events together will force balanced deficit reduction. Absent a balanced deal, it would enable the President to use his veto pen to ensure nearly $1 trillion in additional deficit reduction by not extending the high-income tax cuts.”
-
Much-needed laugh of the day:
Mitt Romney breaks his careful silence on the debt ceiling issue to produce a cowardly after-the-fact attack… “As president, I would have produced a plan for a budget that is cut, capped and balanced.”
…causing Maggie Haberman to quip that this statement is part of the “Mittness Protection Program.”
Oh dear, I’m afraid that one’s going to go viral.
Poor Mitt.
-
The problem is that ALL the Bush tax cuts expire on 1/1/2013, both the tax cuts for high-end, and the tax cuts for everyone else. The only way these tax cuts can be extended is if 1) Congress votes to extend them and the President signs the bill, or 2) the supercommittee votes to extend them, and that i in its recommendation, and Congress approves the recommendation.
In the second case, the President likely would sign the resulting deal, because that’s te whole point of the supercommittee. In the first case, Congress will never approve a bill that extends ONLY the tax cuts for the high end; it will be all or nothing, which would put the President in the position of vetoing an extension of tax cuts for the middle class as well.
So I expect there to be another fight over the tax cuts, as there was last December,
Thrice now in less than nine months„ the Republicans have held the nation hostage — once over those expiring tax cuts and extending unemployment benefits — a second time over the 2011 budget, threatening to shut down the government — and now over the debt ceiling. They will do it again over the 2012 budget, and possibly twice more over the supercommittee and its recommendations, and then again over the Bush tax cuts once more. This is their strategy, this is how they, as a minority in the Senate and a slim majority in the House, intend to control policy and deny reëlection to President Obama.
Thugs in government, ruling by extortion.
-
#11 written by Jean 1 year ago
fili,
And Thanksgiving too. It appears that all deadlines were intentionally set to force decisions and move the process along at a time when Congress would rather be at home than in session. And that is a good thing. Deadlines like this force decisions lawmakers might otherwise be hesitant to make so that they can go home for the holidays.
“Bipartisan committee process tasked with identifying an additional $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction, including from entitlement and tax reform. Committee is required to report legislation by November 23, 2011, which receives fast-track protections. Congress is required to vote on Committee recommendations by December 23, 2011.”
-
@Jean… Committee is required to report legislation by November 23, 2011, which receives fast-track protections. Congress is required to vote on Committee recommendations by December 23, 2011.”
Wow. And in that same time period we have several Republican candidate debates and the run-up to Iowa. Considering our booming traffic numbers these days, I can only quote Roy Scheider… “We’re gonna need a bigger server.”
Fortunately we have Michael locked up in a back room, working hard on that very problem as we speak
-
Monotreme,
I’m not an attorney, but I believe that Congress could simply amend or repeal the original bill.
Neither am I, but I do know a few things about how these sorts of laws work.
Congress could amend or repeal the original bill, but not without the President’s signature. So if Republicans can get a Republican in the White House, retain the House, and figure a way to get such a bill through the Senate, they could repeal it in 2013. If Obama remains in the White House, I doubt that they’ll find a way to get enough votes to override his surely inevitable veto.
-
filistro,
It’s kind of odd, actually, that nobody mentions the expiration of those tax cuts. Because that’s going to be kind of a big deal.
I’d imagine it will become part of the Presidential campaigns. In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s one of the strategic reasons Republicans were in favor of the January 2013 date: they’re pretty sure they have the public on their side.
-
-
-
filistro
Oh, great. So I guess we know what we (and Congress) will be doing next year over Christmas.
What I’ll be doing is watching the first of the two Hobbit movies, which is scheduled for release in December 2012 (the second half is scheduled for December 2013).
Unless the misinterpreters of the Mayan calendar are right, and the world ends next year.
-
#18 written by Jean 1 year ago
DC,
The supercommittee can obtain a significant amount of the debt reduction savings they are mandated to come up with by extending the Bush tax cuts for only those earning less than $250,000 (or whatever figure they come up with).
I think that may be the President’s plan and goal and one of the reasons that the supercommittee exists as law. President Obama can then simply let the 1/1/2013 Bush Tax cuts, as they currently exist, expire in their entirety.
-
-
-
-
-
-
#24 written by Jean 1 year ago
MW,
Agreed. But even if President Obama is not re-elected, he still would still be in a strong negotiating position and have a lot of leverage. Obama would still be President at the 1/1/13 tax cut expiration date.
The supercommittee could find significant debt reduction savings by extending tax cuts for those earning $250,000 or less or make their committee work harder with the national debt increasing by trillions of dollars more if all the Bush tax cuts were extended. I think the CBOs figures that the supercommittee will be working with already calculates in the increased revenue that will be available since the Bush Tax Cuts will expire and that CBO figure would increase if the Bush tax cuts were extended, thereby increasing the amount of debt reduction savings the committee would have to find.
The Bush tax cuts automatically sunset on 1/1/13 unless President Obama unilaterally extends them, which I think would be unlikely to happen absent an agreement with the supercommittee to make tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 part of the supercommittee decision.
-
Jean,
But even if President Obama is not re-elected, he still would still be in a strong negotiating position and have a lot of leverage. Obama would still be President at the 1/1/13 tax cut expiration date.
Of course. But then we’re really talking about three weeks of whatever cuts, followed by an immediate revocation. I presume that if a Republican gets elected, the negotiations will occur well before Inauguration Day so as to have an impact as soon as possible.
-
A roving member of Logarchism’s on-the-spot political reax team has caught these cutting-edge images of Democrats responding to the debt-ceiling bill.
Image #3 is a Democrat who marches to a different drummer.
I’m pretty sure Image #5 is a firedogger. I recognize his style.
-
Republican mockery from National Review Online:
Dem 2012 Ad Scenario
August 2, 2011 12:17 P.M.
By Stanley KurtzA Tea Party member in full colonial regalia and strapped in a suicide vest filled with large sticks of dynamite pulls into the parking lot of a drive-in restaurant with a large neon sign on top advertizing sugar-coated Satan sandwiches. All the sudden a corporate jet taxis up beside the Tea Party terrorist’s car, a billionaire pushes his hand out of a side window and says, “Pardon me, would you have any Grey Poupon?”
Of course, this would transform the sugar-coated Satan sandwich into a sweet-and-sour Satan sandwich. More alliteration, more impact.
I really wish they wouldn’t attempt humor. It’s always so ham-handed.
-
And, to offset the knee-slapping humor, some Republican strategery:
What to Do Next
August 2, 2011 1:01 P.M.
By Ramesh PonnuruThe supercommittee seems likely to deadlock, which means reductions in projected defense and domestic discretionary spending will automatically become law. If that happens, I assume that Republicans will try to increase defense and Democrats domestic spending — but in each case they will face the burden of getting both chambers of Congress and the president to go along with the change.
In the interim the obvious liberal strategy will be to set pro-defense and anti-tax activists against each other. The price of staving off cuts to defense, they will say to defense hawks, is a balanced deal from the supercommittee that includes net tax increases. The price of keeping taxes low, they will say to anti-taxers, is to accept cuts in defense. (Some of the anti-taxers will see this as a side-benefit rather than a price.) Either way conservatives, most of whom want to keep taxes down and defense spending up, lose something.
But it seems as though there is an obvious counter-strategy: Pit domestic discretionary spending against middle-class entitlement spending. Liberals know that middle-class entitlement spending is more valuable to them politically, but they care more about discretionary spending. So the Republicans could hold the line on taxes while also advancing entitlement reforms that (1) spare the poor as much as possible, (2) yield savings within the budget window, and (3) don’t cross any ideological red lines for the Democrats. I think the Coburn-Lieberman Medicare reforms, though not perfect, would be a good template for Republicans on the commission to work with.
In effect the Republicans would be saying: Accept these entitlement reforms, or we’ll let the automatic cuts to both defense and domestic discretionary spending become law and see which side is more likely to get those cuts reversed in the political process. Would it work? Probably not. But it could work, it seems like the best available strategy, and it would keep the focus of the debate off intra-Republican strife.
-
-
#34 written by shortchain 1 year ago
-
I actually am much more sanguine than most commenters. In this, I find myself disagreeing with Nate Silver.
I think on a 0-to-10 scale, President Obama got a 6 or 7. Given that he wasn’t going to get much better than 5 or 6 negotiating with terrorists, that’s a pretty good score.
In the next step, he and the other Democrats need to call out the behavior of the House Republicans now, and repeatedly until the November 2012 election. Here’s a suggested talking point: “Sure, the economy sucks, but it’s not going to get any better until we get a Democratic majority in the House and Senate.”
-
-
#37 written by shortchain 1 year ago
Michael,
This:
The bottom line is that until we vote President Obama and his Democratic allies in the Senate out of power, we won’t be able to truly change the culture in Washington and deliver the results Americans like you demand.
– from an email sent out today from the Republican National Committee to its list.
-
-
#41 written by shortchain 1 year ago
-
Yes. At this point, a Republican President and Republican Senate is truly frightening. If that happens, I’m moving to Canada.
I got $20 says that doesn’t happen.
Literally — I bought 100 shares in the Iowa Electronic Market at $0.20 a share saying the Democrats will hold the Senate. I know it’s not likely, but at 5 to 1 I think it’s undervalued and I can bail when things take a tick upward. I would buy President Obama futures but the price is too high (i.e. the price is about what I think it should be) at $0.55. Not nearly as much upside at that price.
-
Monotreme,
You left out the part about Moody’s placing the AAA rating under “negative outlook”.
Let’s not sugar-coat the pill.
I didn’t do that on purpose; I just saw the CNN headline and passed it along. I’m sure it won’t look so great when we see the actual story, as you have indicated.
-
#45 written by shortchain 1 year ago
In case anybody missed the joke,
– Year 2008, Barack Obama campaigns on a platform of “hope and change”, promising to change the atmosphere and way of doing business in Washington.
– Year 2011, after demonstrating that it only takes a minority (and a small one at that) to, indeed, change the atmosphere — for the worse — the Republican party apparently intends to run on a platform promising to change the atmosphere and way of doing business in Washington.
If, heaven forfend, they should succeed, I look forward to the opportunity to asking, in 2013, if the people who voted Republican like the new atmosphere and the way it turned out. Detracting from my anticipated pleasure is the certain knowledge that they will answer “yes”, as Washington goes up in flames.
-
-
Having survived 5.5 years of Nixon, coincidentally the only American president, a Republican, to resign in disgrace and (8) years of cheney/bush …
24⁄7 hyperbole at this site aside, I’m doing ok. The people who aren’t so fortunate ie the poor, unemployed, disabled etc. of course are getting no help from Reps as per usual.
Soooo, if “we the people” are dumb enough to elect a Rep in 2012 ~ so be it.
As always, America gets what it deserves.
I yield back the balance of my time.
-
@DC… Yes. At this point, a Republican President and Republican Senate is truly frightening.
Oddly enough, the thing that might save us from the horror of a Republican senate is… the Tea Party!
The Tea Party is now on record threatening to primary R Senators Snowe, Lugar, Hatch and Brown. And we KNOW what happens after Tea Party primaries. So that’s a definite ray of hope.
-
I’ll take George Will, although a blithering idiot, at his word when he said …
I think we know with reasonable certainty that standing up there on the West front of the Capitol on January 20th, 2013, will be one of three people: Obama, Pawlenty and Daniels, I think that’s it.
Not long after his dubious prediction, Daniels dropped out
~ apologies to blithering idiots! -
#54 written by rgbact 1 year ago
The Tea Party is now on record threatening to primary R Senators Snowe, Lugar, Hatch and Brown. And we KNOW what happens after Tea Party primaries. So that’s a definite ray of hope.
Hatch would be no risk since Chaffez will still win
Lugar’s primary opponent is also a likely winner
Primarying Brown would be sheer lunacy. Don’t think anyone is that stupid.
Snowe would be interesting. My sense is Maine as going redder.…and a solid TPer might be able to win in the general. Tough one. -
#55 written by Mainer 1 year ago
RGB a solid teaper couldn’t get elected dog catcher up here right now. Yes they will primary her and hell as screwed up as things are they might bounce her only to see her go Indy and again get 60 + % of the vote. Our very own teaper govenor will not endorse the teaper wanting to take a run at her. I pretty much suspect she will be back in after this next electio if she so chooses now does your side want her as a moderate (with at least half a brain Republican) or as an bonifide Indy?
As for Brown yes I think they will make a serious run at him and might well bounce him as well but there the similarity to Snowe evaporates. You will then open the door wide open to Elizabeth Warren.
I figure you could be right on Chaffez and the state of Utah and the nation lose.
Lugar.…..yeah he could be primaried and he might lose but to then equate that to a still sure seat.….hmmmmnot so sure. There is a reason he has been a moderate so long.
Interesting though I must say.
-
You must be logged in to post a comment. - Comment Feed for this Post
About Monotreme (241 posts)
Monotreme is an unabashed liberal and dog lover who lives in an almost-square state in the Western U.S. He keeps a second blog related to his work as a scientist and author at 7synapses.com.








So here is one of the many things that puzzle me. (Things tend to puzzle me all the time, but that’s beside the point…
People keep sounding skeptical and saying this Super-Congress “won’t be able to get anything done.” But that’s almost beside the point, right? If they can’t get get anything done, stuff will still happen. If they remain totally deadlocked, cuts start automatically being instituted and defense gets slashed.
There’s no way around the triggers, is there? And the prospect of a $50 billion cut to defense is certainly going to make Republicans a bit more amenable to some kind of deal.