Individual Mandate Struck Down
This afternoon, a divided three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals found that Congress did not have the authority to penalize people for not purchasing health insurance.
Of course, this case is still almost certain to reach the Supreme Court. And few believe that the Supreme Court will conclude that the individual mandate is Constitutional.
Your thoughts?
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#5 written by shortchain 1 year ago
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One of the most brilliant legal minds I know of, Lawrence Tribe, concluded not only that the individual mandate is constitution, but that the people who now sit on SCOTUS would find it to be constitutional.
Of course, he based his analysis on the assumption that the justices on SCOTUS are both principled and consistent — that is, that they would base their conclusions and arguments on positions they have previously taken, and not simply deviate from the logic of their past rulings for nakedly partisan political reasons.
Is Mr. Tribe too respectful and generous to the conservative members of the current Court? I guess we’ll find out.
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shortchain,
There are a couple of outcomes short of an actual Supreme Court finding. The Obama administration could choose not to appeal (highly unlikely). The appeal could be routed to the DC District Court, which (as memory serves) could issue a decision that would apply nationally. If they do, and rule against Obama, the Supreme Court could decline to hear the appeal, and the decision would stand nationally without the Supremes weighing in directly.These are relatively unlikely, but certainly within the realm of possibility.
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#12 written by Jean 1 year ago
The best summary I’ve read is Steve Benen’s at the Washington Monthly. He states:
“At the district court level, rulings on the Affordable Care Act were regrettably partisan: two judges nominated by Republican presidents ruled against the law; three judges nominated by Democratic presidents did the opposite.
At the appellate level, this dynamic is not holding up. At the 6th Circuit, Judge Jeffrey Sutton, a nominee of George W. Bush, was expected to be a key ally of the right in undermining the law. He did the opposite, ruling in its favor.
Today, at the 11th Circuit, a conservative Clinton nominee, Judge Frank Hull, agreed that the individual mandate is unconstitutional, while a Reagan nominee, Judge Stanley Marcus, wrote a stinging, bordering on furious, dissent
Court rulings don’t generally make for easy reading, but Marcus’ blistering response to today’s ruling is pretty entertaining. Note how he accuses his colleagues of judicial activism in ruling against the ACA’s mandate provision:
“Quite simply, the majority would presume to sit as a superlegislature, offering ways in which Congress could have legislated more efficaciously or more narrowly. This approach ignores the wide regulatory latitude afforded to Congress, under its Commerce Clause power, to address what in its view are substantial problems, and it misapprehends the role of a reviewing court. As nonelected judicial officers, we are not afforded the opportunity to rewrite statutes we don’t like.”
The majority’s ruling emphasized that health care has “traditionally” been a state matter, and used this reasoning to rule against the mandate. Marcus didn’t care for this, either.
“It would surely come as a great shock to Congress, or, for that matter, to the 47.5 million people covered by Medicare, the 44.8 million people covered by Medicaid, and the overwhelming number of employers, health insurers, and health care providers regulated by ERISA, COBRA, and HIPAA, to learn that, because the health care industry also ‘falls within the sphere of traditional state regulation,’ Congress was somehow skating on thin constitutional ice when it enacted these laws.”
But I laughed out loud when Marcus responded to the majority’s argument that the mandate is constitutionally impermissible because it’s never been done before.
“In the course of its opinion, the majority also attaches great significance to the unprecedented nature of the legislation before us. It is surely true that, as the district court concluded, the individual mandate is a novel exercise of Congress’ Commerce Clause power. But the mere fact of its novelty does not yield its unconstitutionality. […]
Every new proposal is in some way unprecedented before it is tried. And to draw the line against any new congressional enactment simply because of its novelty ignores the lessons found in the Supreme Court’s Commerce Clause cases.”
BTW, Judge Stanley Marcus’ dissent is available at
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#13 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Another reason to hang the whole damned lot of them in my opinion.
I have a sort of neighbor that made a point of coming over and chortling about this earlier today (he does not like me for he sees me as a heathen and even worse as a librul). He is broke on his ass because of medical bills incured by his dear wife (why she married this waste of skin I shall never know) and his lack of health insurance that actually pays for any thing but he is a teaper through and through so he is incapable of making what I would see as a rational response. “we are getting rid of that GD Obamma care now you liberal freak, how do you like them apples?” Now being my usual calm self I used logic and quile and my powers of persuasion to advance the moment and show him the errors of his ways.….……ok I didn’t. But I was.….…welll I did.….….actually I told him if he didn’t get out of my driveway I would use him for target practice which was probably a little over the top but he did leave so all was not lost.
So what was the point of my above scree? Well our present system is broken, if you don’t think so you are a numb ass, I got mine screw the rest of you ass wipe. Or you are like my sort of neighbor and are so freaking stupid that you would rail against daylight and piss about it being dark.
This is far from what I see as the best answer but it is an answer. If you don’t have a better one then stuff it where the sun don’t shine for I have no use for you. We all know what the best answer is and that is universal health care, negotiated prices and controls and we join the rest of the freeaking advanced industrialized world that is eating our shorts. I don’t know a business person locally that would not like to see universal health care. They could get one major item off their books like their competion less than 100 miles away. Hell in some cases it would mean they could have health care coverage because more self employed and small business people don’t have coverage than do. Let me say this as delicately as I can. You ignorant fornicators of swine that bitch piss and moan about this Obama care and then bitch piss and moan about jobs?????? Go tell your teaper friends you need a job because I have run out of give a shit.
Oh and on this fine August night I thank all of you my fellow citizens for my nearly fully paid, wonderfully working and quite effective paid public health insurance called TriCare for life. Maybe not as good as what the assholes in congress reward themselves with but pretty danged nice. Keep fighting the misguided fight dimwits for some CEO some where will light a candle for you the next time his yearly bonus is paid. This country is becoming over run with people that couldn’t keep their shoes on if it were not for Velcro.
And no even our judicary is beyond repair as well.
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#14 written by Jean 1 year ago
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Monotreme
Recall that this horrid spectacle of sausage-making, exposed to the world in the 111th Congress, was a prime driver behind the Tea Party movement.
Not quite. The Tea Party was a creation of monyed right-wing interests wanting to create opposition to President Obama, and seeking to create the lie that Common Folk opposed the President. They funded an astorturf movement, trying to make it look spontaneous and grass-roots, while they bused in people for pay to break up Democratic town hall meetings. They would have seized on any excuse, any project or cause that President Obama championed. PPACA was not the “driver.” It was the excuse.
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DC, people were genuinely upset about PPACA. I don’t agree with their reasoning, but I can see the feeling was genuine. Yes, they were aided and abetted by Big Pharma and the insurance industry and Harry and Louise but that doesn’t make the fear and loathing any less real.
We can agree to disagree on the genesis of the Tea Party, but like Mainer, I think single payer is our only hope as a nation. As it turned out, all we did was piss off 1⁄3 of the electorate and accomplished nothing much with PPACA. If we’re gonna piss people off, we should at least get something accomplished.
PPACA (the process, more than the bill) led to the 2010 election which led to the hostage-taking ways of the 112th Congress. I blame PPACA for much of today’s dysfunction.
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#17 written by Mainer 1 year ago
You know I have this horrid thought after reading Jeans well crafted comment. If a decision such as this based on this reasoning became presidence it could well mean this country coud never move forward from where we are at this moment. For any thing new that congress supported (new means of travel, food production, medical advances) that the regressives didn’t like could be snuffed in their tracks because it hasn’t been done before. Amazing simply amazing.
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#18 written by Jean 1 year ago
And for those “let’s get back to what the Founding Fathers thought and intended” folks, let’s not forget that in 1798, our 2nd president and a Founding Father, John Adams, signed into law An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen. This federal law was passed by the 5th Congress composed almost entirely of our revolutionary Founding Fathers. It mandated that privately employed sailors purchase health care insurance and it established the first payroll deduction requirement with fines for employers who did not participate.
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#19 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Mono that 1⁄3 of the electorate was going to be pissed off regardless of the topic. Tell me one damned thing they have not been pissed off about. Most of them are nothing more than stooges fighting that which they do not know diddle about or are still so jacked up about that black SOB in the white house they can’t see straight. Either that or they have theirs and screw the rest. I find no middle position here for I have yet to meet any one opposed to heath care reform that didn’t have some other axe to grind or they made a toad look like a Rhodes Scholar.
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Monotreme,
I agree that Single Payer is the way to go. It was not going to happen in the 111th Congress. But PPACA is, in fact, a step in that direction. If people (and companies) refuse to participate, they have to pay a tax. That tax goes to funding emergency medical care. All we have to do in the future is expand the things the tax covers. Single Payer is then an incremental achievement, not an undoable fantasy.
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#21 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Classic one Jean. I actually had a fair number of my ancestors that were subject to that act and while they were calm and cool like myself some of them railed against it. Oddly as was the case back in the day some of them apparently availed themselves of it and survived one thing or another.….….hell that law might even mean that one of them survived and passed on genes and voila.….….I’m here. Fine law I’m thinking in retrospect.
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#22 written by Jean 1 year ago
Mainer,
Here’s what your ancestors paid, of course in 1798 dollars: This legislation also created America’s first payroll tax, as a ship’s owner was required to deduct 20 cents from each sailor’s monthly pay and forward those receipts to the service, which in turn provided injured sailors hospital care. Failure to pay or account properly was discouraged by requiring a law violating owner or ship’s captain to pay a 100 dollar fine.
This 1798 legislation also authorized the creation of a marine hospital service, and mandated privately employed sailors to purchase healthcare insurance.
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#24 written by Mainer 1 year ago
You got it Mono. In for a dime in for a dollar. This half measure crap is for the birds and for lesser people than we used to be.
Jean that was pretty good money back when. We have records from back then and those lads were not highly paid. Ok my sea captain ancestors did pretty well and there were a bunch of them but for every captain there were many more AB’s or ordinarys that didn’t make squat. Most of them mixed farming and sailing or fishing to survive but it was for its time pretty forward thinking. Hell looking at where we are today our present congress critters are no where near as visionary. But then again there are none so deaf as those that will not hear. Maybe that is why Gallaudete University is located in DC, can’t think of a better reason.
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#25 written by Jean 1 year ago
Monotreme,
That pissed off 1⁄3 is the very same 1⁄3 that is the radical right-wing core base of the Republican party.
As we have discussed many times here, PPACA polled as unpopular only if you did not dig down into WHY people disapproved. A significant number of Americans “disapproved” BECAUSE PPACA DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH. Simply reading “disapproval” numbers tells you nothing; you have to dig deeper into the numbers to determine WHY the disapproval. Hint: It was NOT because Americans disapproved of PPACA — other than that 1⁄3 radical right-wing Republican base, of course.
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#26 written by Jean 1 year ago
Monotreme,
I agree that it would have been better to accomplish single-payer, since that 1⁄3 would have been pissed off anyway. Given that umpteen Presidents going back many many years had tried, unsuccessfully, to accomplish a great part of what Barack Obama and the 111th Congress accomplished with PPACA. I see PPACA as a success and legislation that can be built upon and improved. You can’t improve legislation if you have no law to improve. And maybe improved sooner rather than later, if the Supreme Court rules against only the “individual mandate” portion of PPACA, which then could make single-payer a viable method to fund PPACA.
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#27 written by shortchain 1 year ago
Michael,
1. Since the 6th circuit appeals courts found in favor of the constitutionality, and the losers in that case are certain to appeal, it is insufficient for the Obama administration to give up. In fact, it’s rather difficult to imagine how, with one appeals court deciding one way, and another deciding another way, to avoid an appeal.
2. I believe you are referring to the Federal Circuit Appeals court, not the D.C. District court, the former of which can handle certain cases of national jurisdiction — but those refer to patent, or other specialized issues, not constitutionality. The D.C. District court is local to D.C.
My lack of interest in the law is exceeded only by my lack of interest in the intricacies of economics, so take this with a grain of salt, but, short of a cataclysm (say, the US Congress repeals it and replaces it with single payer), this case will be before the SCOTUS by next year, with a ruling just before the next election. Fun!
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“And few believe that the Supreme Court will conclude that the individual mandate is Constitutional.”
Really?