That Not So Fresh Feeling
I was pointed to a recent Salon article about the “freshness” of candidates for President. It made for an interesting read, indeed. Here’s the basic gist: since 1900, if you got elected to your first major office over 14 years ago, you won’t be elected President unless you’re already President. Years as Vice President don’t count toward the 14 years.
The one exception, Lyndon Johnson, became President without being elected President, which perhaps had something to do with him being an exception. Every other general election candidate with more than 14 years lost. We haven’t had an election since 1844 in which both candidates would count as “stale”.
The idea behind the theorem makes sense if you think about it. Fresh means exciting, and excitement is a valuable tool to get people into the polling booths. It’s hard to see what’s magical about 14 years, though, so I figured I’d do a little statistical analysis on the theorem to see if, in fact, there’s a correlation between length of time in major office and vote margins.
The first thing I noticed about the theorem is the lack of significant data points. We’re talking about 27 elections in total, so a maximum of 54 general election candidates. With the incumbents seeking reëlection, though, the real number of candidates is a mere 38. How many of those candidates count as “stale”, according to the 14 year rule? Ten of the 28 losers, and only one of the winners. At least the theorem stands up to the rudamentary analysis.
I started off with a simple regression, following the rule to the letter. The independent variable was a dummy variable of exceeding the 14 year rule, and the dependent variable was a dummy variable of winning the election. Here are the results:
R2=0.096
| Coefficients | P-value | Lower 95% | Upper 95% | |
| Intercept | 0.568182 | 2.5E-10 | 0.421735 | 0.714628 |
| Stale? | –0.38636 | 0.021643 | –0.71383 | –0.0589 |
This looks pretty good. There’s a 98% chance of correlation (the P-value is 1 minus the likelihood of correlation). Now, granted, this is a case of starting with a particular observation, and building a theorem around the observation. So it shouldn’t be all that surprising to find that the rule holds up.
How does the rule do when we add earlier elections? Pretty poorly. Looking at the prior 20 elections (going back to John Quincy Adams), nine of the winners were stale, according to the rule. Eight of those nine won against fresh candidates. Only six of the losers were stale, one of whom was beaten by another stale candidate. A regression using the same rules, but applied to these 20 elections, shows no statistical significance.
OK, so maybe it’s the modern media that is to blame here. People in the faster modern society tire of candidates more quickly. If this is true, one would expect the margin of victory to be greater for fresher candidates. Does this hold up? To find the answer, I used the “age” of the candidate as the independent variable, and the margin of victory as the dependent variable, and got this:
R2=0.013
| Coefficients | P-value | Lower 95% | Upper 95% | |
| Intercept | 10.59259 | 4.75E-14 | 8.514366 | 12.67082 |
| Margin | –6.16972 | 0.403246 | –20.8608 | 8.521369 |
A P-value of 0.4 is as bad as we got applying the earlier rule to the 19th century. Not statistically significant at all. But, then again, it could be that the relative freshness matters. That is, going against a less fresh candidate gives a bigger margin of victory than going against a fresher candidate. So I took the “age” of the winner, subtracted the “age” of the loser, used that difference as the independent variable, and got a P-value of 0.97, nearly the maximum value of 1, meaning essentially that there is no correlation at all that can be discerned.
How does it look if we go back to the 19th century? The answer might surprise you:
R2=0.27
| Coefficients | P-value | Lower 95% | Upper 95% | |
| Intercept | 0.000618 | 0.959679 | –0.02398 | 0.025215 |
| Year Diff | 0.00265 | 0.000624 | 0.001214 | 0.004086 |
27% of the variation in the popular vote margin can be attributed to the relative freshness, with 99.9% certainty of a correlation. But the big surprise here is that the coefficient is positive. That is, in the 19th century, the less fresh the candidate, the more votes he got, albeit a mere 0.2% greater margin per year.
The argument I’d make here is that experience was considered much more of a positive back then. In most professional fields, this is the norm; the more experienced you are, the easier it is to rise to a higher level. Perhaps the “outside the beltway” sales pitch didn’t carry any weight until more recent years.
So what does this all mean for 2012? It seems that the experience factor, which was somewhat important in years past, has more recently become nearly irrelevant. The rapid rise of Obama, Palin, and Bachmann would certainly support this notion. But has it become a net negative? The evidence doesn’t support that at all. The 14 year rule looks more like a case of coincidental overfit than anything else, like the rule we “discovered” here a while back that showed all sitting Presidents whose last names ended in “N” were re-elected.
If this is true, then what can we conclude? In short, there’s no such thing as a stale candidate, at least by the definition described above. And this is great news!!!! for Rick Santorum!!!!
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Humans have always had a drive to read the tea leaves.
Or the animal entrails. Which leads us to two wonderful words:
Extispisy which somehow looks like “extra spicy” as I type it. Stay a few feet from my mouth as I pronounce it, too.
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The “Freshness Rule” seems a lot like extispicy to me. In modern statistical terms, I believe we call this “overfitting”. Elections are really vulnerable to this, as Michael points out with the “N rule”, because the N is so small (sorry about the tortured pun).
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According to the formula, Rick Perry doesn’t pass his “use by” date until 2014… but he sure seems stale to me. In fact, I was thinking yesterday just how totally retro his campaign seems. It really has an 80’s feel, with the bombast, drawl and swagger, raised fist and cowboy boot on the hay bale.
When I watch him on the stump, I get the same feeling I do when they try to foist a hotel room on me that somebody has smoked in, and I’m met with that blast of expensive air-conditioning that nevertheless has a sour, stale, fetid underlay to it.
YUCK.
On the other hand… Perry actually makes Romney look kind of fresh, doesn’t he?
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#5 written by mclever 1 year ago
@filistro
Ugh. Politifact has already scored the idea that there’s any dispute among scientists about global warming when T-Paw tried to trot it out.
Not quite “Pants on Fire”…
However, Perry belongs to the Rove school of political messaging which I paraphrase as: If you repeat a lie often enough, enough people will believe it true that the falsehood won’t matter.
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mclever,
Climate change opponents will continue their opposition, and will continue to cite the same stale oft-debunked falsehoods and propaganda (like the “Climategate” nonsense and the muddled meanderings about the “Maunder minimum”).
As Michael says, it’s all very Orwellian. Doubleplus duckspeakers, the lot of ‘em.
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#8 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Perry isn’t so much stale as maybe rancid. I know he is supposedly the darling of the corporate Texass world but I have business connections in the Houston area and they are not Perry fans in the least bit. One of them thinks some business interests in Texas would much prefer he not be exercising his ego right now. So if that is correct what is the concern here? Are there those in Texas that would prefer that their govenor not get the level of scrutiny he will how draw? How many shoes can drop on his apparent malfeasance as govenor before other individuals get caught up in the light of day? Or does this being Texas it just not count?
What is obvious is that he and Bachmann will now try to out right each other. Will that pull Romney and Paul more right as well or will it give them some room to reposition? I fear the whole crowd will now dive so far right that any normal discourse in this country will become totaly impossible but one can not look at this and not see mutiple opportunities for the president and the Democratic party.
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#10 written by Mainer 1 year ago
DC, some of the elements on the right have become so Luntzed/Roved/ oh and that dipwad from the Chamber that they don’t know what they believe. When your whole personnae gets wrapped up in programmed political speak that others write for you then at some point you become nothing more than a cheap tape recorder.
For this to work well the string pullers need pretty vacant mind sets or maybe just vacant minds to work with. GB was nearly perfect for the purpose and individuals like Bachmann and Perry probably even more so. The problem with Bachmann and Perry is that they are so damned stupid they can’t deliver even the most programmed lines with out screwing them up. Bachmann hasn’t compeated on a level where she has to actually respond to things and Perry ducked any encounters with his opponent last time around (at least I think that was one of the claims)
Unless Fox gets to control all of the debates and feeds their side all of the answers that are expected before hand just wait for the deer in the headlight moments. While freshness may play a factor this time around I’m not sure we have ever had a time period in this country where one side was so bought, paid by and programmed for one group. That the faithful on the right are still lapping this crap up would seem to show that for at least cohort on the American political scene freshness/staleness/honesty/intelligence/ the truth or any other normal requisite no longr matter.
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Convoluted political theorem aside
Reagan just comes in under the wire although he became governor of CA Jan. 2, 1967 and became president Jan. 20, 1981 which is a tad over (14) years.Elected governor November 8, 1967 ~ Elected president Nov. 4, 1980 = a tad under (14) years.
Some folk have wayyy too much time on their hands.
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shiloh’s theory: One political party fucks up and is replaced by the other political party ~ additional factors = $$$, incumbency, likability/acuity/sensibility of the opposition party’s nominee, superficiality of the American voter, etc. As always, presidential elections come down to choices.
Ask yourself (1) question. Out of all the Rep nominees, who looks presidential ie who looks like a C-in-C, who looks serious, sensible, compromising, intelligent, a problem solver etc. and doesn’t flip/flop ad nauseam.
Who looks comfortable in their own skin ~ sorry mittens lol.
Again, this is not rocket science as presidential politics is not that complicated.
carry on
btw, if you count Reagan being elected President of SAG
it rips the above theory to shreads ie Dutch was famous years before he entered politics er not so fresh! -
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Thinking about it more — Republicans, for decades, have been all about whose turn it is. I suspect that Christy and maybe Huntsman will run for second place. No smart or sane candidates will want to actually be nominated this time, and lose to President Obama. Instead, they’ll want be The One Almost Nominated, so they can claim the title of Frontrunner for 2016.
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I think a lot of people have been waiting to assess Rick Perry’s rollout… and it’s already disastrous and clearly can’t be salvaged. He’s fine for Texas, but just not right for the national stage. Wrong, wrong, wrong.. on so many levels.…
So now a lot of formerly shy bathers are dipping toes in the water. Chuck Todd says Paul Ryan’s “never, no, absolutely not” has now dropped from 95% to about 80%. Next we’ll see Palin doing focus groups, and things will really get interesting.
What an odd year. Instead of winnowing, this weird field just keeps expanding. Remember when Roy Scheider said, “We’re gonna need a bigger boat?” Well at this rate, they’re going to need a bigger clown car.
On the bright side, these upcoming debates are going to be SO MUCH FUN.…
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#19 written by mclever 1 year ago
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@Mac… Ever the optimist!
LOL… you know, I always expect things to turn out well in the end, and I’m seldom disappointed. If I have any religion at all, it’s a sort of a personal Anti-Chaos theory that believes all things, in the natural order of events, tend toward order and balance rather than the opposite. And I believe that is the result of some kind of “grand design,” though my finite human brain is a million times too small to imagine who the Designer might be.
And you gotta admit, Mac… those debates would be a hoot!
The only cloud in my coffee is that I sadly fear my boy T-Paw bailed too soon. Given another couple of months, a stricken and panicky GOP might have started finding him a pretty decent prospect.
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#24 written by shortchain 1 year ago
It’s hard to imagine a scenario where the sensible choice to resolve a problem is to pick Pawlenty. The only thing that comes to mind is that the Republican candidates are just too dynamic, engaging, and overwhelming in their charisma, so it’s necessary to pick the “anti-awesome” man to bring the things down.
Kind of like putting the third string goal-keeper in to prevent a blow-out in a high-school hockey game.
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Here’s a nice fresh idea, hot off the presses.……
If elected, Michele Bachmann promises gas at $2 /gallon!!
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National Review has been very supportive (and protective) of Michele Bachmann until now. But they are HORRIFIED by her “$2.00 gas” pledge.
Here’s Daniel Foster…
The only policies I can think of that would surely accomplish the $2.00 a gallon target are:
1) The seizure by force and nationalized exploitation of a large proportion of the world’s oil supply.
2) The massive federal subsidization of fuel costs.
3) The fomenting of a second global recession as bad as or worse than the last one, complete with negative global GDP growth.
Am I missing something?
Let me say again: We should increase domestic production and expand drilling. But not because it will, by itself, cut gas prices in half. It won’t by a long-shot.
Commenters are already making the point… and I think there’s truth to it…
that this has shades of Obama’s “the rise of the oceans will begin to slow” bit. It’s also unbecoming of a conservative candidate for the presidency in that implies way, way, way, way, way (way) too much economic power in that office. Way too much. -
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filistro,
Really… why would she say that?
Because she is sufficiently incurious to learn why the prices rose to their current levels, and similarly incurious as to whether her proposal would create the results she’s promising.
As long as it gets her the votes, who cares? Or, at least, that’s her view.
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#34 written by WA7th 1 year ago
Michael Weiss:
Christie? The same guy who has spent the past year telling us all that he’s not ready to be President? Did he become ready this past week?Maybe he started taking Metamucil again.
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#36 written by Jean 1 year ago
The Tea Party is not looking for “fresh” or “not fresh”. They’re looking for “purity”, according to their radical definition thereof. Despite Rick Perry’s perhaps newly professed Tea Party purity notwithstanding. he has not walked-the-Tea-Party-talk and he’ll have a lot of explaining to do about things like the stimulus funds that Rick Perry, on behalf of the state of Texas, took and is benefiting from:
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#37 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
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Had the 2008 election gone the other way, we clearly would have had eight years of John McCaiN.
The reasons why some candidates are elected (or re-elected) and some are not are complex and can’t be boiled down to simple rules. We want to understand our world and be able to anticipate what’s to come. Humans have always had a drive to read the tea leaves.