Last Jenga Standing

They’re Number One!
The Iowa caucuses are over. Turnout was roughly comparable to four years ago, so there doesn’t seem to be any particular enthusiasm surge over 2008. That was a big year for the Iowa caucuses, but it still led to massive Republican defeat nationally the following November.
The latest polls going into the caucuses had been showing a virtual tie between Representative Ron Paul (R-Lake Jackson, TX), former Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. The polls were, for once, pretty accurate.
What do the scores mean for the candidates left in the running? What do they mean for the rest of the primaries and for the general election next November?
Paul’s presence in the top tier isn’t surprising. He did well in the Ames Straw Poll, coming in a close second — even though most news outlets pretty much ignored him. Paul has a dedicated, faithful, and almost cult-like following, and Iowa’s seems to be one central hub. He got around 20 percent of the evangelical vote. Most commentators expect him to fade rapidly from now on, but his libertarianism may tend to make him do better than anticipated in New Hampshire, the “Live Free or Die” state. If he does well in New Hampshire, perhaps the media will begin paying attention.
Romney had to place in this tied-for-first position in order to maintain his assumed front-runner status. Though nearly 80 percent of Iowa caucus participants apparently wanted UnMitt, his campaign is trying to keep an air of inevitability. This must be something of a challenge for them, when the story for months has been watching the parade of UnMitts, one after another, jump ahead of him in the popularity poll, only to fade like a short-lived fruit fly. Bachmann, Trump, Gingrich 1.0, Perry, Cain, Gingrich 2.0, each had a moment. Romney remains at the roughly 24 percent ceiling he’s had for the last year. Unable to gather strength, but able to keep from getting voted off the island, his best hope is merely to be the last man standing.
The biggest winner is probably Rick Santorum. As Gingrich 2.0 collapsed in the past couple of weeks, the vacuum formed by the lack of an UnMitt has pulled another candidate up, the last one available (Huntsman is not viable, for other reasons). Santorum has thus become the Flavor of the Month. It isn’t hard to understand why. He’s the last ultra-rightist in the running, less exciting than any of the previous UnMitts, which is why his day has taken so long to come. There are commentators who seem to be surprised at his sudden surge, but the explanation should be obvious. There weren’t any UnMitts left.
In all previous cases, the UnMitts soared to great fanfare. Once the public actually learned something about them, however, they collapsed like stacks of Jenga blocks. If Santorum doesn’t do well in New Hampshire, a failure there could be enough to cement the image of him simply following the pattern.
Gingrich and Texas Governor Rick Perry demonstrate the pattern perfectly. Both are on the way down; since Newt was the most recent peak, he hasn’t yet fallen as far as Perry, so he naturally scored better in Iowa. Bachmann’s peak was so long ago, such a fading memory, she hardly received mention.
What does Iowa mean for the eventual Republican nomination, and, beyond that, for the general election campaign?
Perry and Gingrich both have to do much better in the next two or three primaries in order to remain in the race. For both of them, if they can’t score within the top three at least once in New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Florida, they may as well quit. Michele Bachmann did so poorly in Iowa that she isn’t going to be taken seriously from now on by anyone other than Michele Bachmann.
As long as there is an ultraconservative UnMitt in the race, Romney will be pushed farther to the right in an effort to crowd out the competition. As long as there are two or more candidates perceived as viable, the primary campaign will get increasingly negative, particularly with the impact of unregulated money available under Citizens United. Both of these factors help the Democrats, and will provide fodder for Democratic ads in the summer and the fall.
The last time the Republicans nominated a first-time presidential candidate was in 1964, when the Party chose Barry Goldwater, then considered ultraconservative, to run against incumbent Lyndon Johnson. Goldwater lost in the biggest anti-Republican landslide in history. This is a lesson the Republicans remembered for nearly fifty years. It seems to me unlikely in the extreme that the Party establishment would allow any first-time ultraconservative candidate to get the nod this year. That eliminates everyone but Romney and Paul. For all the libertarian and populist advertising rhetoric the Republicans have been selling for the last three years, they will never go with a Presidential candidate who actually is a libertarian and a populist. That leaves only Romney.
Unable to break 25 percent in the Republican popularity polls, Romney is still viewed as the most viable candidate against Barack Obama. This is what internal Republican politics has produced. He will likely get the nomination, not because Republicans like him, nor because he has any signature issues that will carry him forward, nor due to any inherent strengths or skills or vision.
Romney is likely to be the Republican candidate simply because he’s all they’ve got.
Related articles
- James Moore: The Non-Romney Race in Iowa (huffingtonpost.com)
- Iowa Poll Shows Paul-Romney-Santorum Dead Heat (huffingtonpost.com)
- Rick Santorum’s Perfect Iowa Timing (usnews.com)

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#3 written by rgbact 1 year ago
I’l be interested if Mitt can flush out Santorum’s more liberal views, which have gotten little scrutiny. Santorum gets the label of “true conservative” but he is essentially a “compassionate conservative. Weak on immigration and spending. Not sure how Santorum expands beyond the “Huckabee base” going forward. He’s more suited for VP.
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#4 written by shortchain 1 year ago
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#5 written by Mainer 1 year ago
RGB, Santorum didn’t even do that well with the evangelicals if one considers that he finished some 10K votes less then Huckabee did in 2008 in Iowa. For him there are limited ways forward as you have already said. Do you really think a Mitt or a Newt would gain with him as a VP. Guess I’m not seeing it.
Bachmann being out and most likely Perry to follow does change the dynamic in regards Santorum but he is going to have to be one lucky person to make some thing of yesterday. The other thing that both Romney and Santorum have to face in the near future is a Newt on the war path. If Newt stays viable through NH to get on better ideological ground in SC and Florida and Newt doesn’t have to shoulder Perry and Bachmann out of the way to get at Mitt then who knows where this will be come super Tuesday. Mitt needs a miracle in Virginia he may not get if Perry does indeed drop out and drops his court challenge. Paul will most likely hang right there for a bit and if he can keep being the second or third guy it will just embolden his own private base.
If I were Mitt I would be concerned. He may have more money than god right now but it does not seem to be buying him friends. A newt up his shorts and a Santorum chipping away with Paul taking his digs and this could be far from over. Hell if Huntsman bleeds off 9 or 10 % in NH that too is going to come out of Mitts hide. -
#6 written by mclever 1 year ago
When I saw the fruit fly reference, I immediately jumped down to see if it was DC or Monotreme who wrote the wrap-up.

DC raises an interesting point about Santorum possibly needing to perform well in New Hampshire in order to avoid being considered another un-Mitt following the peak-n-fade pattern. But, he can make a persuasive case that New Hampshire is not a state that is demographically favorable to him. I think he could remain semi-viable with a poor showing there as long as he rallies strong in South Carolina. He probably also needs a strong top-3 showing in Florida or he’ll bleed support.
I see three possibilities for Santorum at this point:
1) Tea Party influence fades and Republicans rally behind Romney during NH, SC, FL, and NV making it impossible for anyone else to remain viable beyond the early states, though the indefatigable Paul maintains his 20% libertarian support. Santorum gets the stubborn Tea Party vote, but has to accept the inevitable. He drops by early February and endorses Romney, because he’s an old pol who knows how the game is played.
2) Tea Party gives up on Perry (or he quits) and unifies behind Santorum, flooding him with grassroots funding and disorganized volunteers. In that case, the test will be how quickly he can corral the mayhem to maintain viability as the banner carrier for the evangelical/so-con wing of the Republicans. If so, then he could around with 25–30% of the vote through the spring as long as his delegate pile remains plausible.
3) Tea Party remains fractured with Santorum competing for support with Newt (and/or Perry, assuming he doesn’t quit). In this case, I don’t think Santorum lasts past SC or FL. He doesn’t have the money to keep up with Perry should he stay in the race, and nasty Newt will attack hard if he thinks Santorum is a threat. Rumors are that Newt, Rick, and Ron Paul don’t like each other much. If Ron Paul also decides to target Santorum with the same level of attack that he leveled at Newt in Iowa, then Rick’s “crazy” views will get full airing and his support will splinter. This may lead to scenario #1, though it’ll take Super Tuesday before it’s realized.
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#7 written by mclever 1 year ago
@shortchain — Ewwww!
@Mainer
Rick Santorum may have gotten 10K fewer evangelical votes, but there were more tugs on those loyalties this go-round. Last time, Huckabee was the only clear evangelical choice. There were other so-cons in the race, but the preacher endorsements were all behind Huckabee early enough that folks knew he was the one to support. This time, the preachers didn’t clearly line up for Santorum until Christmas, so Bachmann and Perry still got a lot of the fractured Teavangelical vote. With Bachmann out, Santorum should benefit from a more unified Tea Party support.
The question is whether Perry stays in, and what impact his cash-flush advertising has on the remainder of the race. (Not to mention the two cash-rich PACs who are all gaga for Perry. Have fun with the ad blitz, NH!!)
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rgbact,
I’l be interested if Mitt can flush out Santorum’s more liberal views, which have gotten little scrutiny.
That’s not a very good idea for Mitt. It’s not as if he can realistically claim to be more conservative than Santorum. If he tries to play that game, it’s likely to blow up in his face.
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Mainer,
Santorum didn’t even do that well with the evangelicals if one considers that he finished some 10K votes less then Huckabee did in 2008 in Iowa.
True, but evangelicals really had only one choice in 2008. They had multiple flavors to choose from this time, and a lot of them chose Perry. Give Perry’s votes to Santorum, and tell me how he would have done compared to Huckabee.
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#10 written by mclever 1 year ago
I agree Michael. Mitt will probably leave “exposing Santorum’s liberal views” to Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, who I’m sure will gleefully embrace that opportunity.
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#11 written by turrboenvy 1 year ago
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#12 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Mac that is interesting. I like some of the stuff you and I and AW and jean and junk were bouncing around early this AM. Some little observations. Paul has already predicted a second place finish in NH. Paul may be a lot of things but he isn’t one to put himself out there with out reason. I’m still thinking that local Paulites that have been down in NH for weeks if not months now are not onto some thing.
Now it seems to be a foregone conclusion that Mitt should win in NH and recent polls would seem to support that but friends that live there are not so sure how strong that support is. It is one thing to say you are supporting Mitt because he has been there but then have people like Santorum, Newt and Paul all take an axe and give your campaign 40 whacks. Mitt right now shows abut 42% support in NH. If all the others and I would add Huntsman peel off 1 or 2 % of that support Mitt could win and still not look good. -
#13 written by curious jane 1 year ago
Someone said, I think it was Jean, that Republicans on Red State and another website do not want Mitt. They would rather have four more years of Obama than a possible 8 years of Mitt. Could this be true? Or, are they so desparate to “take back the Country” that they will vote Mitt in?
Many people in the rural areas of my state really don’t want to be a minority (white) and they say they have to save the country from “them”. IMO that might be a big part of the problem. -
#14 written by shortchain 1 year ago
Mac,
There’s no way Santorum drops out until after SC, no matter how dismally he does in NH. He’ll get a bump in both organization and in funding out of his IA showing, as the not-Romney hopeful. That’ll carry him through several weeks. I think he’ll stay in until Super Tuesday. After all, what else has he got to do?
I expect to hear reports that Santorum is organizing in all the upcoming states except NH, where he is probably hoping for simple momentum to carry him through.
His candidacy will split the tea party vote, as he’s a big-government social conservative (or, more precisely, a theocrat). I don’t see the tea party going back in for Newt, except in the south. They pushed the most ridiculous clown out of the car, but it’s still careening down the mountain while they take turns turning the radio knobs in an attempt to steer it.
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mclever,
DC raises an interesting point about Santorum possibly needing to perform well in New Hampshire in order to avoid being considered another un-Mitt following the peak-n-fade pattern. But, he can make a persuasive case that New Hampshire is not a state that is demographically favorable to him. I think he could remain semi-viable with a poor showing there as long as he rallies strong in South Carolina. He probably also needs a strong top-3 showing in Florida or he’ll bleed support.
Agreed. Unfortunately, polling is focused on NH right now, so we don’t have a picture of how Gingrich has been doing since mid-December. If SC and FL now shift from Gingrich to Santorum, it will clearly become a Romney/Santorum two-man race.
Historically, plenty of Iowa winners turned out to be flashes in the pan who faded quickly. Santorum might be another one of those.
Can Santorum last past New Hampshire, assuming he even gets in the top 4 there??
He’ll last past New Hampshire, no matter what. It’s South Carolina that will be his litmus test.
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#16 written by mclever 1 year ago
@turboenvy
Having survived the Iowa cycle, I can tell you that the presence of essentially unlimited/unrestricted PACs made the candidate advertising much more tiresome than any prior campaign. Seriously, every commercial break had multiple political ads. Sometimes we’d get three Perry ads in the same break, except one was from his campaign and the other two were from PACs. Throw in a couple of Romney PAC ads, and a half dozen Paul ads, and you’ve got a typical half hour of TV.
Oh, and that doesn’t count the robocalls. Just be glad those don’t bleed across borders! -
Mainer,
Paul has already predicted a second place finish in NH.
Barring some huge shift at the last minute, that’s a safe prediction.
If all the others and I would add Huntsman peel off 1 or 2 % of that support Mitt could win and still not look good.
A win by, say, eight votes wouldn’t look good for him. But it’s extremely unlikely that his win will be anything in the single-digit percentage, let alone single digit quantity. Barring a win of less than ten points, I’d say he’ll come out looking fine.
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#18 written by mclever 1 year ago
What a shock… I agree with Michael!

I don’t know as much as I’d like about South Carolina, so I can’t begin to predict which way the non-Romney voters there will go, but I agree that it will be the real test for the Newt/Santorum/Perry crowd, and also a test of Teavangelical organization. It will be interesting to see how much support Ron Paul maintains and whether that tips the balance between Romney and his challengers. -
#20 written by rgbact 1 year ago
That’s not a very good idea for Mitt. It’s not as if he can realistically claim to be more conservative than Santorum.
I think he is.…so does Ann Coulter. Immigration is far more important to me than guns or stuff a prez can’t do much about like gay marriage.
I think Newt is making a mistake to “buddy up” with Santorum. 2 guys who’ve spent 20+ years in DC trying to convince me what reformers they are and beware of the guy that built a successful business? I think Mitt will have an easy time painting himself as the “change” in that trio. Santorum is the closest thing to another GWB term in this race. Thats fine for VP.
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#21 written by Rose 1 year ago
The liberal internet is rife with mention of a 2009 Rick Santorum interview with NPR’s Terry Gross in which he expalins that his wife’s second-trimester abortion was Ok because it was done to save her life. His wife explains that without it, she would not have been there for her other children. Meanwhile, Santorum wants all abortion (for others) banned, equates both 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions as “parial birth abortion”, and proposes that physicians be convicted of murder for performing this still-legal procedure.
This should torpedo his fruit fly moment. Abortion to offend the Teapers, and hypocracy to offend the rest. -
#22 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
I do know a bit about SC. And I see the Santorum/Gingrich/Perry crowd flogging away at the “liberal, Massachusetts Mormon”, (except the Mormon part will be a whisper campaign) who is only a half-step behind Obama.
I doubt Romney will get hardly ANY of the BJU influenced crowd in the Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson-Rock Hill arc. Similar can be said about the Richland-Lexington County, Haley’s endorsement notwithstanding. The Aiken-North Augusta and Hilton Head-Charleston-Georgetown-Myrtle Beach low country CAN go towards Romney because thats where most of the Northern state immigrants are located. -
Max,
I doubt Romney will get hardly ANY of the BJU influenced crowd in the Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson-Rock Hill arc.
So do I. The big question isn’t whether Romney will get those votes (he won’t). It’s a question of who will get those votes. I doubt it’ll be Perry at this point, but it’s harder to tell whether it’ll lean Gingrich or Santorum.
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#24 written by mclever 1 year ago
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#26 written by mclever 1 year ago
@Max
I’m familiar with SC’s penchant for whisper campaigns (McCain’s black baby, shhh), but only as an outside observer. I’m sure Romney will be the victim of the whisperers, but I doubt many minds will be changed. Like Michael says, the real question is how South Carolinians will split up the non-Romney vote. -
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#28 written by Rose 1 year ago
I found a 2004 interview http://www.npr.org/tablet/#story/?storyId=3878884 in which Santorum says the 5 month fetus had a urinary tract blockage which would have proven fatal outside the womb. Intrauterine surgery resulted in an infection which caused labor to commence. The chld died 2 hours after birth.
I’m only a PhD, but I have several questions about this story, like why not wait until after delivery to repair the blockage and would such an infection be treatable with antibiotics?
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#29 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
… how the non-Romney votes will be split.
Actually it DOES depend on NH, but a bit indirectly, IMHO.
What does Gingrich do? THAT is the question. Last nights speech by him sounded much like a concession and a Santorum endorsement, but without actually saying so. If he decides, and who knows what’s in his head, that he is going to play the spoiler for Santorum, then he may well pull the trigger after next Tuesday.
Perry is fast becoming a cypher. SC voters will tend to ignore the issue with the Catholic Pennsylvanian vs the Protestant Texan if they reasonably expect that Santorum has a better chance to defeat Romney. -
#30 written by parksie555 1 year ago
Santorum/Gingrich/Paul/who gets what in South Carolina/, etc only for historical interest at this point — it’s Romney’s nomination to lose. His campaign seems to be running pretty smoothly thus far, hard to see a Perry or Newt-like stumble at this point.
Once he locks it up Teapers will fall in line. They might not dig Mormons or Massachusetts semi-liberals much, but they hate Obama much, much more. They will grumble, but they will turn out and will work to unseat the One.
Election will be won or lost in the middle, not on the fringes. -
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#32 written by mclever 1 year ago
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#33 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
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Neither here nor there, but I check my Facebook page once every 3 mos. and Annette Haven is one of my (8) friends.
Is it any wonder that the GOP platform is rotten? Even McCain, whom I like, has fallen in, as he should, according to everyone’s agenda. Sure, let’s make women slaves again and legislate against their owning of their own bodies. Mitt is LDS!!!! No Birth control, no abortions, no women’s rights.…etc, I’m just loving it here, eek! Obama has a cake walk. I, personally, Love having someone tell me what to do.….NOT!
Remember folks, Reps/cons are the party of no regulations and not intruding into peeps personal lives, eh. Don’t tread on me indeed!
carry on
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Nice run. Bachmann Perry Underwhelm failed to sell enough tickets for their arena concert so the tour canceled.
New Hampshire will be interesting, Mittzy will probably work for the more pragmatic and dour cranky yankee vote. Some old guard will endorse Newt and Paul will get the crackpot vote along with the deluded stoner kids who figure he’ll legalize weed. They are too baked to read his fine print.
There isn’t a big Jeebus scene there.
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#36 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Chris I hope you are still around tonight for a sounding board. Michael, let me clarify some thing from earlier. I do think Mitt will win in NH (and I have questioned that before on here). I expect him to win by double digits (again some thing I have had issues with). My comment on a potentially erosive effect of attack adds and Newt, Santorum, Paul, Huntsman attacks was and is this. While he shows to still be polling at better than 40% his support seems at least a little soft. All recent polling seems to support the idea that there are more undecided in NH now than there were even a couple of months ago. That says it is a fluid situation. Paul and Gingric numbers were showing a pullback but a Paulite friend home for a few days doesn’t think that is real (does the Paul campaign do internals?) do Paulites defect to????? That seems a little odd Paul support is Paul support and does not seem linked to other candidates up or down moves so I have some doubts about the suffock U polls showing that.
If the troops remaining attack Mitt across the board and if people listen then it is at least conceivable that they could have a erosive effect. How much of an effect remains to be seen by first the nature of the attacks and if the remaining not Mitts all go at Mitt and not each other (stupid move in my mind for campaigns wanting to survive but looking around at some of the people that call themselves campaign strategy types who the hell knows). Now assuming they go all in to slow down Mitt then it is equally conceivable that they could knock off some percentage points from his win.
My point is let us say that they do go after Mitt and it rings true with enough people and Mitt wins but is brought down into the 30% range what does that tell them and the voters going into SC and Florida? I think the game now is that Mitt is not the god sent answer this time and that there maybe other options. -
#37 written by Jean 1 year ago
The plot thickens. Here’s an interesting crowd maneuvering behind the scenes:
A group of movement conservatives has called an emergency meeting in Texas next weekend to find a “consensus” Republican presidential hopeful, POLITICO has learned.
The meeting is being hosted by such prominent conservative figures as James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family; Don Wildmon, onetime chairman of the American Family Association; and Gary Bauer, himself a former presidential candidate.
Movement conservatives are concerned that a vote split between Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum among base voters could enable Mitt Romney to grab the GOP nomination. A source who shared the invitation said the meeting was about how to avoid such a possibility.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71077.html
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#38 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Not only does it thicken Jean but it may well clot as well. Newt does not only not go after Mitt out of the gate in NH he picks a fight with pot heads. Newt, it is NH they balace their budget selling cheap liquor to Maine and Mass, they gouge us on highway tolls for roads our federal taxes built. NH Live for Free or Beggar your neighbors if they thought for a moment they could corner the market for pot up here they would be on it like a duck on a june bug.
They aren’t worried about a vote split between Newt and Santorum.….they don’t want either one of them. Yesterday scared them. How can a damned non christian catholic be the darling of the evangelicals? Why one of them will just have to run and run now or the nation is lost. The only thing missing from this meeting will be the PBUTH pronouncements every other sentence. I’m betting some religious leaders in Iowa will not be getting an invite to this meeting. Damned Catholics.……who the hell do they think they are calling themselves Christians? -
#40 written by shortchain 1 year ago
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#41 written by Jean 1 year ago
Mainer,
Here’s an interesting opinion from Richard A. Viguerie, Conservative fundraiser, activist and Chairman of Conservative HQ.com:
“The Republican establishment is in a major panic. The Iowa Caucus results show the volatility of a campaign that appears to open the door to new candidates (from the right and the center) to enter the race — all but guaranteeing the race will be settled at the Republican National Convention.
Mitt Romney’s Nelson Rockefeller-like strategy of ignoring conservatives met its limits tonight. After five years of campaigning, and spending tens of millions dollars, Romney is almost exactly where he was in 2008 — at 25% of the vote. Romney’s failure to grow his base and close the deal with conservatives tonight will undoubtedly renew the establishment’s search for a new candidate to replace the flagging Romney.
Conservatives are likewise eyeing all of their options in the wake of the Iowa GOP presidential nominating caucuses, where some 75% of Republicans voted for a conservative alternative to the establishment’s chosen candidate, but no one candidate was able to unify the conservative vote and put Romney away.
No matter how Romney’s establishment allies try to spin it, tonight’s results show conservatives have strengthened their opposition to Mitt Romney’s candidacy. The fact that conservative candidates garnered three times as many votes as Mitt Romney did speaks volumes about how narrow and shallow Romney’s support is and the likelihood that the nomination will not be settled until the GOP Convention in Tampa.
The vast majority of Republican primary voters want to vote for a principled, small government, constitutional conservative. With 75% of the vote available, the door is now open to a new conservative standard bearer who can unite the party in the way Romney has failed to do.”
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#42 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
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The only chance conservatives have it pick a candidate three weeks before the November election. That’s about how long it takes one of these bozi to reach his freshness peak’o’flavor before the public realizes he’s a nutcase and starts ignoring him like the sushi they forgot in the fridge. Anyone the Republicans pick before about Oct 15 will have peaked and be well into decline mode by Nov 6.
Meanwhile, Romney will continue to trudge along at about 24% acceptance among Republicans.
Contrary to predictions, the Presidential election this coming year could be a simple wipeout.
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#44 written by Jean 1 year ago
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who is this conservative golden boy, exactly?
As has been mentioned ad nauseam previously, even Bartles’ demi-god himself, Ronald Wilson Reagan, couldn’t pass the current teabagger, golden boy litmus test …
In fact, ole Dutch would fail miserably!
ie the continuing conservative conundrum.
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#46 written by Jean 1 year ago
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Jean, there’s a bit of silliness in this:
The fact that conservative candidates garnered three times as many votes as Mitt Romney did speaks volumes about how narrow and shallow Romney’s support is and the likelihood that the nomination will not be settled until the GOP Convention in Tampa.
Really? Huckabee’s opponenets garnered three times as many votes in Iowa as he did. Was the nomination settled before the GOP Convention? Absolutely.
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#51 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
That’s exactly my point. The current standards these people are looking for in the “perfect conservative candidate” are essentially impossible to achieve. They are looking for a white (there goes Cain), male (there goes Bachmann), maritally-faithful (seeya Gingrich), hardcore evangelical Protestant (bye-bye Santorum), articulate (bye bye go Perry dur-hurr) who can and will sell Tea Party policy to the center (I hate to say it, Huntsman…) who is electable (Paul is hereby voted off the island).
Right now it looks like their candidate is becoming Obama by default.
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#52 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
AW,
It’s what happens when the Party sells it’s soul to the ideological, “God’s on our side”, purists!
It’s what Buckley warned about almost 50 years ago. It worked then, but they hardcore laid low, got a boost when Nixon joined with the Southern crowd, climbed another notch when Reagan got the God Squad onboard and its been a slow purge the past 25 years. So that now, anyone to the left of Attila is a RINO.
And there is no one remaining of the caliber of Bill Buckley.They got what they wanted, but do they want what they got?
What was it Spock said about the difference between the “wanting” and the “having”?
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#53 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Michael there may be some silliness to all of this but “Huckabee’s opponenets garnered three times as many votes in Iowa as he did. Was the nomination settled before the GOP Convention? Absolutely.” has some on the right spooked. Not the true believers of course because they have been sold the goods that any one with an R after their name can beat the president so they naturally now believe that which ever candidate poopcicle flavor they are being offered will be the one to do the job because haven’t they been told ad nausea how bad and how weak Obama is and how easily beatable he is?
No Michael the party problem is not every one is that delusional and elements in it of the pump in the big money to try and go for a win variety are now apparently getting antsy. Perry didn’t go home to reflect and talk to god, he went back so his backers could give him a wake up call, Bachmann’s calls were all of a different sort and we saw the result. Open meetings such as Jean posted have to be seen as less of an efort to form around one of the present candidates than find another one quick effort.
The party as it is now constructed does not want Mitt. They may get Mitt but they don’t want him any more than the Democrats do. The man is a fake, pandering, orportunistic ass hole (on his good days) with about as much personality as a mid winter dog turd. Michael I keep saying this and will continue to do same, the party has at this point a split personality. How they manage that in the next few weeks or maybe months will quite possibly define them for some time. Again Mitt may get the nomination but if he does it may be the beginning of the end that some of us have believed was going to happen any way.
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After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.
Beam me up Scotty, there’s no intelligent life in teabagger Iowa …
I’m from Iowa. I only work in outer space. Bachmann lol but all the Rep wannabes qualify as space cadets!
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#55 written by Jean 1 year ago
A “Not Mitt” and further “not the current crop” initiative is not a bad thing, but at some point you would still need to come up with an alternative. Apparently that’s just starting to sink in, hence the upcoming conservative group meeting in TX — on an emergency basis - to come up with alternatives.
Remember the old chestnut “Plan Ahead”? Apparently they didn’t.
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#56 written by WA7th 1 year ago
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#59 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
The thing that is becoming obvious to the American public is that the purists, now that they have a large portion of what they want in the form of political power, have shown that they want to dismantle much of what the majority of the public has asked for from their government for the past 80 years!
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I’m serious here. The more I see of the clown car, the more convinced I am that President Obama will be reëlected in a bigger landslide than 2008. Of course, a lot can happen in the next 10 months. But with all the Republican passion going to unelectable candidates, and with Mitt waiting for the nomination simply as the only thing remaining, I can’t see any particular excitement on the right to actually go out and vote, whereas the left is going to energized.
This may well have implications downticket as well. The Democrats could certainly take back the House, and it’s not inconceivable that they could get a pickup or two in the Senate. They could also lose a seat or two, so that might actually end up as a wash. On the other hand, six years ago was 2006, when the Democrats took the Senate away from the Republicans. All the Democrats need do to keep the Senate is to do as well as they did in 2006 — and they didn’t have Obama at the head of the ticket then. Nor did they have a Tea Party that was as angry at the Republicans as they are at the Democrats.
It will be an entertaining year.
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DC,
The more I see of the clown car, the more convinced I am that President Obama will be reëlected in a bigger landslide than 2008.
Not gonna happen. He may be reëlected, but it won’t be as lopsided as last time. And even 2008 wasn’t that lopsided. Obama won by a seven point margin. That’s #26 out of 47 Presidential elections for which the national popular vote was recorded. Below the median. Clinton was reëlected by a larger margin. Both Reagan elections were by a larger margin. And those are still single-digit margins.
FDR had two double-digit margins (his first two). In 1936, his margin of victory was nearly 25 points. And even that wasn’t the biggest margin. Warren Harding’s election in 1920 was 26 points. That’s the biggest in history…nearly four times the margin of victory that Obama got.
I can’t see any particular excitement on the right to actually go out and vote, whereas the left is going to energized.
Despite what you may think, the left will not be as energized as it was in 2008. In 2008, the left was energized not only by fear and anger directed toward the Republican Party, but also an excitement about Obama. The fear and anger are still there, but the reality of Obama hasn’t lived up to the excitement hype, and that will necessarily be reflected in the voting booths in November.
The Democrats could certainly take back the House, and it’s not inconceivable that they could get a pickup or two in the Senate.
Not inconceivable, but pretty farfetched. If nothing else, keep in mind that there are far more Senate Democrats than Republicans up for election in this cycle. That alone makes it hard to pick up seats.
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#62 written by parksie555 1 year ago
MWeiss — Thank you for the realism check. Could not have written it better myself. With regards to Obama’s reëlection chances, I would argue it has very little to do with the “clown car”, as DC so charmingly puts it. Nor does it have much to do with Obama’s slobbering over “income equality” and “predatory lending”.
It has everything to do with the economic cycle and I think there are hints of just enough improvement there for Obama to win re-election.
All the indicators are starting to move in the right direction for him. Hiring edging up. Unemployment edging down. Dow holding steady/edging up. Manufacturing rebounding.
I think the biggest factor now may be not so much the actual economy, but the public perception of the economy. Will the man-in-the-street see enough improvement to push the economic confidence indicators into the green enough to get the middle class back on his side?
A few more ticks down in the unemployment rate, maybe some signs of a little life in the housing market, a nice runup for the Dow into the election — it won’t take much at this point.
But I would guess Dem chances of retaking the House close to nil, and Repub chances to take the Senate at north of 50%, primarily based on the amount of seats at risk as you point out. -
#63 written by rgbact 1 year ago
whereas the left is going to energized.
Seems the left is energized.….but their politicians aren’t. 7 senate retirements so far, most since 1996.
Btw, I posted an informal poll on another forum for Ron Paul supporters asking who they supported in 2008. 70% voted for Obama. My guess is those eager new Obama 2008 youth voters may not flock to the polls in 2012. Many are disenchanted. -
#64 written by rgbact 1 year ago
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#65 written by GROG 1 year ago
Parksie,
It has everything to do with the economic cycle and I think there are hints of just enough improvement there for Obama to win re-election.
I couldn’t agree more with that and everything else you said above. I think Obama will re-election, but by a much closer margin than in 2008. Nov. 6th won’t be a late night.
It’s funny how we like to give Presidents all the credit or all the blame for the economy, when in reality, they have little to do with it. The assertion that corporations have been able to build up reserves of cash because of anything that Obama has done is laughable.
When things are going bad, it’s because of the obstructionist, terrorist Republicans. When things are going well, it’s because of Obama, of course. That’s the nature of politics, I guess. -
Parksie555 says,
But I would guess Dem chances of retaking the House close to nil, and Repub chances to take the Senate at north of 50%, primarily based on the amount of seats at risk as you point out.
There’s an app for that. Actually, a market.
Current IEM prices (percentages):
Democrats take House 24%
Republicans take Senate 72%
It would be a truly weird outcome if both the House and the Senate flipped during the same election. Alan Abramowicz at Sabato’s Crystal Ball covered why it’s unlikely that control of the House or the Presidency will change (there has never been a “triple flip” in all of American history):
He calls the chances for a double flip (House and Senate) “slim to none, and slim just left town.” Yet, even though he’s a well-known political scientist and I’m just some guy, I disagree with him. I think the chances are well below even but still significant. (IEM has it at 8% which is probably about right for January 2012. It may become more or less likely with time.) I have money in IEM on the Democrats regaining control of the House because I think 2012 will be a Democratic wave election, but I’ve been wrong (and lost money) before. I personally think the chances of Democrats taking the House are below 50⁄50 but I think 24% is undervalued. I think the price for the Republicans taking the Senate is about right, so I’m not invested in that market.
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GROG,
It’s funny how we like to give Presidents all the credit or all the blame for the economy, when in reality, they have little to do with it.
It is ironic, isn’t it? Yet they have more to do with the economy than most naysayers acknowledge, too. Over the long haul, Presidents have more impact on the economy than any other single individual.
The assertion that corporations have been able to build up reserves of cash because of anything that Obama has done is laughable.
Hardly laughable. It would be laughable to suggest that it’s solely because of anything that Obama has done, but that’s different from saying that it’s entirely independent of his actions.
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#68 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
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#70 written by GROG 1 year ago
Michael,
Hardly laughable. It would be laughable to suggest that it’s solely because of anything that Obama has done, but that’s different from saying that it’s entirely independent of his actions.
Point well taken, but I’m not sure what policies or actions Obama has taken that has led to corporations being able to stockpile cash.
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#71 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Guys let us not forget that much that transpires in November is going to be driven by state level issues as much or maybe in some states more than national ticket items. There are a number of states where there is some pretty defined angst with those that took power in 2010. I suspect we will start to see polling of some of those issues coming along shortly question will be though just how mad are people at Republican over reach.
A good friend was joking just recently about the number of places incumbent Govenors may not ever share a stage with the Republican presidential candidate. Hell in my own state an endorsment by our 38% teaper gov could be worth 8 to 10 points all by itself.….…unfortunately in the wrong direction. And once the full impact of his latest budget cuts sink in it could be worse. When even the Republicans in the legislature have said no way I would question who he is actually leading. -
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D. C. Petterson is a novelist and a software consultant in Minnesota who has been writing science fiction since the age of six. He is the author of A Melancholy Humour, Rune Song and Still Life. He lives with his wife, two dogs, two cats, and a lizard, and insists that grandchildren are the reward for having survived teenagers. When not writing stories or software, he plays guitar and piano, engages in political debate, and reads a lot of history and physics texts—for fun. Follow on Twitter @dcpetterson








Politico reporting that Michele Bachmann has cancelled a trip to South Carolina and announced a press conference for 10 am CST.
Looks like she’s going to leave the race.