Open Mic February 17
The political landscape has been relatively quiet this week. But, typical of Presidential election years, President Obama did publish a wish list with the title of “budget”. Maine declared former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney the victor in that state’s caucuses, leading supporters of Representative Ron Paul (R-Lake Jackson, TX) to cry foul. And, proving love is really in the air on Valentine’s Day, both parties actually agreed on something in the House…to extend unemployment benefits, a payroll tax cut, and yet another “temporary” patch to the formula used by Medicare to pay doctors.
Next week, after the Presidents’ Day holiday, the Supreme Court will be back in session again; and the Fantastic Four Republicans will debate in Mesa, Arizona.
Today, though, it’s Friday. And that means you’re in charge of the subjets du jour.
Don’t see an article on a particular topic, but want to talk about it somewhere? This is Open Mic. Talk about whatever you want, but stay respectful.
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#2 written by curious jane 1 year ago
Shiloh,
What a wonderful memory and way to remember the pride and achievement of USA technology.
I remember my Mother getting me up, in the middle of the night, to see Sputnik. Our Nation was stunned that the USA was not first in tecfhnology. It was a wake up, a blow to the gut to all American’s. Russia put most of it’s money into their military and space program. The USA would accelerate it’s space program. This was done using new technology in concert with private indusstry to “shoot for the moon”. The investments in education, science and new technology, and utilization of private businesses made the first moon landing possible. What a wonderful time and the pride of a Nation. The men willing to go “Where no man has gone before”. It took such unimaginable courage. John Glenn is and example of the true example of “American Exceptionalism”.
Thank you for reminding me of who “We the People” are and what “We” can accomplish. The current generation hasn’t had the benefit of having such Patriotism and pride in our Nation. I think more emphasis should be put on the fact that with education and new technology amazing things are possible. -
This was done using new technology in concert with private industry to “shoot for the moon”.
Jane, Glenn used to reference an Alan Shepard quote:
I wasn’t scared, but I was up there looking around, and suddenly I realized I was sitting on top of a rocket built by the lowest bidder.
There are also references to Shepard saying “it’s a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one’s safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract.”
And during Glenn’s flight he’s told his heat shield may not function properly. ~ Holy shit, Batman!
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Well, this is interesting. Philip Klein has an article this morning in the Washington Examiner discussing how Rick Santorum’s hostility to libertarianism could be very damaging to him in a general election.
Klein quotes from Santorum: “I am not a libertarian, and I fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican Party and the conservative movement”… and then goes on to say.…
This is a stark departure from Ronald Reagan, who had this to say to the libertarian Reason magazine in a 1975 interview:
“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
“Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.“
I’ve been musing over this little dust-up all morning. What do you think, fellow travelers? Do you agree with Reagan that “the heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism?” It seems to me that social conservatism is at core restrictive, and is largely defined by the things people should not be allowed to do… the very antithesis of libertarianism. (Santorum’s opposition to libertarianism would be proof of this, since he is a strong social conservative.) -
#6 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
I disagree with Reagan.
When one considers that originally conservatism was the English belief in the monarchy and rule by divine right, there is a great divide between that and libertarianism. The first real schism came about the time of Smith in the late 1700’s when you saw the break between traditional conservatives and the laissez-faire economists who saw a completely different aspect.
The Scot-Irish tradition, from the time of the migrations to Ulster and then to the US, into northern New England, and the “T” of Pennsylvania and then down the Appalachians herald the roots of American libertarianism. The independence of the individual, self sufficiency against the wilderness and the indians and then to the fight against the British, these folk were, unlike the Catholics and Anglicans, were believers in the bottom-up philosophy versus the heirarchy and top-down. Their principle allegiance was to clan and their Great Captains, not to the State.
Conservatism wants to maintain the status quo, at best, and a longing to return to the mythical “good old days”. Which usually, in truth, not all that good!
Libertarians want to maintain the the independence of the individual even in a modern society that does not have the raw frontier where that lifestyle is the better fit.
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#7 written by curious jane 1 year ago
Conservatism and it’s believe in hanging on to the status quo and accepted tradition. This has made positive words used as a negative slur. Libertarians want what was pre-United States and individual sovereigncy. Is that right? The current trend seems to be the extremes. Liberals and progressives have had the same rightward extremes. Isn’t that why we need everyone to get to center and accommodate what is best for the largest percentage of the whole.
Neither conservatism or libertarianism, when extreme, provide much wiggle room for adapting to the constantly changing global environment. Liberals and progressives can be fiscally irresponsible if too extreme. Is that right? Progressives want progress in all areas and when too extreme it can be at the detriment of capitalism.
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#8 written by WA7th 1 year ago
I don’t take any issue with what Regan said in that quote, other than that it was pure bs for him to be the one saying it.
I don’t think Reagan intended to give the impression that he was talking about the Englsh monarchy or rule by divine right, nor do I think that there are many conservatives in America who believe they owe any respect of that flavour to the old country. I assume most of those who take any pride in their Scot-Irish traditions are mainly proud of what happened after their traditions arrived on this side of the ocean.
I think a philopshy nearer to what RR was talking would help the party in the long run. The reason it was bs for him to say it is that while he was saying that out of one side of his mouth, he was pandering to some evangelicals’ beliefs in rule by divine right out of the other. A truer libertarian philosophy would leave much less room for the evangelicals to take over.
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#9 written by Mainer 1 year ago
As a young person I sat in awe in front of my tv and watched us conquer the near space, the trips to the moon and the wonderful things our satelites could do. In 1993 or 4 I did a national championship bass tourney in Ohio and right beside our hotel was the Glenn center. Unlike many that were there I didn’t go bar hopping (ok maybe a little) I spent hours in the Glenn center. To actually see and touch the things that had taken this man to the spacial edge will forever be with me. ohn Glenn was actually pretty conservative. I could vote for that kind of conservatism.
At the local coffee shop this AM I ran into a good friend that is a fairly major figure in the Republican world up here. He is so fiscaly conservative you would not believe but he is also a progressive in many ways. He is one of those that understands that the status quo or standing pat is some thing this country can not afford. He is also an evangelical but he is deeply concerned with where Rick Santorum seems to want to take his party. In his words as best I can sumarise them. If Republicans try to make this election about abortion, contraception and gays they are going to get their heads handed to them. I respect this man, always have, that does not mean I have always agreed with him but I have voted for him every time I could because he is honest and up front and he is progressive. In short he is like my dad, keep moving ahead just don’t waste money doing it. I should mention I once actually worked for him and we did some major cutting edge educational stuff but did we ever have to have our ducks in a row before we laid out our case to him. He apparently was heading to a sit down concerning our present Republican caucus dust up. Fili, as an adenndum to yesterdays input I think our state Republican chairman is on positional life support. His stonewalling is coming apart and a complete caucus by caucus recount is underway as I type and the results will be put out there now.….…the Washington county mess is going to be resolved. -
Mainer, it seems to me the GOP is only libertarian on the economic front, in that they want everybody to be allowed to make as much money as they can by any means possible, without any regulation or interference from government. In every other area of life they are not only non-libertarian, they are very authoritarian.
Of course this is no kind of revelation or new insight, it’s been true for many years. The significant thing is that the public is becoming aware of this fact. It’s amazing, really… Republicans can talk for years and years about how strongly they are “pro-freedom,” but a few months of a Rick Santorum campaign can undo all those millions of words.
When the public really sees (as they are now beginning to) how truly anti-freedom the Republican party is at core, we are going to witness a sudden and massive electoral shift… and it will lead to a long Democratic dominance of Congress that will only ebb away if Republicans go back to fiscal discipline and finally leave the social issues behind.
At which point, American’s long national nightmare will finally be over
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#11 written by GROG 1 year ago
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Well, Grog… for example, numerous states now have Republican-sponsored laws requiring women to have a wholly unnecessary and completely punitive medical procedure (involving probes being inserted into their vaginas) before they are allowed to have a legal medical procedure that has been ordered by their doctors.
If you don’t think that’s “anti-freedom,” I wonder how you would feel about a political maneuver instituted by Democrats that involved men being forcibly subjected to an unnecessary anal probe before being allowed to have a legal medical procedure? -
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#15 written by Mule Rider 1 year ago
“I’ve been musing over this little dust-up all morning. What do you think, fellow travelers? Do you agree with Reagan that “the heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism?”
In my ideal world, I believe it should be.…but, unfortunately, it isn’t. And it’s one of the main reasons I’ve never voted Republican (full disclosure: I’ve hardly voted at all in my lifetime).
The irony is that it’s not like I’m some secularist fiscal conservative.…I’m a man of faith and was raised on and still hold many social conservative principles as true in my personal life, but I’ve found a way to apply more, dary I say, liberal applications to real-life issues.
I favor more drug legalization/decriminalization. I favor a smaller/smarter military, getting out of other countries’ business and only waging war when it’s absolutely necessary. I hate abortion but think it needs to be safe/legal in very rare instances. I favor the availability of contraception to those who want to use it. You get the idea. -
#16 written by WA7th 1 year ago
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#17 written by Max aka Birdpilot 1 year ago
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#19 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Grog, thank you for your post that laid out your feelings on abortion and contraception. I do not have to subscribe to or accept your position to respect what your post lays out. I can not say the same of others on the right that only seem to use this issue as a fake political divide. The problem is that Roe v Wade does not stop you and yours from following such a heartfelt position but doing away with Roe v Wade stops millions of other Americans from doing what they see as an equal fundmental right. The big problem for those such as yourself is that political opportunists such as Rick Santorum, and others, have seized upon your serious beliefs for political gain.
Grog, for most of my adult political life the Republicans have in one way or another used the abortion issue to curry votes and money. Has it ever made you wonder how these many years later they are still doing the same? Grog.…..any party that goes down that road too far is a cooked goose, We outlawed slavery and the goverment survived, we played with out lawing liquor and the government survived (some would argue barely) we have fought wars and the government survived. Grog the government that tries to ban contraception and abortion will not survive regardless of how moral your position is for people will at the end of the day be people and those people will screw like rabbits regardless of an impending rapture, Christ standing there or worries of going blind and sure as hell any govermental edict to the opposite.
Grog god bless you and those like you that have such strong convictions but they are your convictions. I am good with mine and the stump out back I frequently prey too (hey I’m probably an animist if pushed to define myself) this is probably the worst national political strat possible and come November you may understand why. Take care. -
@WA7… Wouldn’t an unnecessary catheterization do a far better job of delivering that anti-freedom message?
I read that initially as “cauterization” which caused me to wince painfully… OUCH… but you’re right, catheterization is a pretty good analogy.
In fact, I think Democratic state legislatures should start working on getting it passed. Forced catheterization for all men before they get their infected toenails or their athelete’s foot attended to.
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#21 written by GROG 1 year ago
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Remember how turdblossom swiftboated Kerry in 2004. The great thing about mittens and Santo is they are swiftboating themselves lol, no outside assistance needed. So Obama can use his campaign $$$ for positive political ads.
As they continue to sling mud at each other, notwithstanding.
Love it when a plan comes together!
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#23 written by curious jane 1 year ago
Grog,
I empathize respect your beliefs. Believe me, I have strong faith. Because of different interpretations, even within Christianity and radical damage done. The Founding Fathers were so explicit to keep it out of Government. Your vote is a powerful thing. By taking religion out of politics and looking what is best for all people. My faith is mine and I don’t expect anyone else to have the same relationship as I do. I don’t believe faith can be administered by government. I use my vote to do my best to make sure one side or the other doesn’t go off the dcep end. That is why I am independent not Independent -
#24 written by GROG 1 year ago
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#26 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
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#27 written by curious jane 1 year ago
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#29 written by WA7th 1 year ago
MSNBC parted ways with Pat Buchanan after ten years. He says political pressure from blacklisters did the trick.
“I know these blacklisters. They operate behind closed doors, with phone calls, mailed threats, and off-the-record meetings. They work in the dark because, as Al Smith said, nothing un-American can live in the sunlight.” (Nor can vampires, Pat. –ed.)
I don’t know Pig Latin, but I think what he said was “Newt wants my job.” I’m still standing by my assertion that South Carolina voters have bought Newtie a long-term broadcasting Contract on America.
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#30 written by Mainer 1 year ago
I should develop a Pat Buchannan relief web site. My guess is the cost of buying the site would out weight the contributions for his support. Pat is and was a walking advertisement for Darwinism but while we might miss the paassing of the Snail Darter no one will miss the demise of the Buchannan.
Grog I understand and respect your angst. No snark I really do in personal ways I could never convey. One can not be foursquare for the anti abortion position and also anti contraception position. Grog as one on the other side how do you shape this? Again no snark my friend as it is some thing I just do not understand.
Fili, I think we may be in the middle of a Rebublican party coup up here. I’m digging and will keep all posted but someting is up and tomorrow might well have some answers. -
#32 written by GROG 1 year ago
Mainer,
One can not be foursquare for the anti abortion position and also anti contraception position. Grog as one on the other side how do you shape this? Again no snark my friend as it is some thing I just do not understand.
I am not anti-contraception. In fact, I don’t know anyone who is, even amongst my most conservative friends and family.
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#33 written by WA7th 1 year ago
Also in today’s news, AG Eric Holder today sent Speaker Boehner a letter saying the Obama administration will no longer defend legislation in court banning same-sex couples from receiving military and veterans benefits.
In the past, if I’m not mistaken, I believe some commenters here have accused our fair Prez of making naked grabs to expand the powers of the Executive branch, but failed to provide compelling examples. Merry Xmas.
Is it true that Obama is the first President to refuse to go to court because he didn’t like the law his AG was sworn to defend? Isn’t this the 2nd time he’s done it? Are we now supposed to expect the next Republican President to not take that as a well-established precedent to invoke at will? Why would he do that instead of just sending the worst lawyer possible to defend a law he doesn’t like? Were we ever really safe in San Antonio? And what about Mary Lou?
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#37 written by Jean 1 year ago
I find the contraceptives and the Catholic church dust-up a hoot! Believe me, the Catholic Church lost THAT argument with their own flock a long time ago.
I grew up in a very Catholic family — with 11 siblings. All of us attended co-ed Catholic grade schools from kindergarten through 8th grade and then went on to attend either an all-boys or all-girls high school for grades 9–12. I attended an all-girls Catholic high school from 1963–1967 and that Catholic high school was run by elderly Dominican nuns who back in those days wore floor length “penguin” black-white habits and full head cover and veils. There were no priests at all at our school. Just women.
The recent controversy about contraceptives and Catholics brought back a flood of high-school memories, one of which involved contraceptives.
When I was a junior in high school (1965–1966), our entire Junior class attended an inpromptu (at least to us) “health” class, held not in our usual classrooms, but instead held in the school’s “little theatre” (think small movie theatre seating maybe 150 max, tiered seating, aisle lighting, comfortable seats). Once we students had all arrived, two nuns were directed to the exit doors, which were then closed and a nun stationed at each door for the entire class to bar anyone else from wandering in. That was our first clue that this might be an unusual “health” class.
The theatre lights were lowered and our attention directed towards the stage, where two nuns stood behind an overhead projector. Thus began our class on contraceptives– a subject that in the 1960s was never openly discussed in public and certainly never with high school students. The nuns proceeded to educate and impress upon us the importance of contraceptives, including the benefits and disadvantages of each form of contraceptive available in the mid-1960s. And amazingly to all of us, as each individual contraceptive came up for discussion, that individual contraceptive (the pill, IUD, copper coil, condom, etc.) was placed on the overhead projector, for all to see.
At the time, it did not occur to any of us that this contraceptives class was educating us on something that the Catholic Church in Rome itself strongly advocated against. But looking back years later, those brave elderly nuns were, in their own way, trying to educate us to become responsible for ourselves and that by being able to have control over our own female bodies, we could control our own lives. And I have absolutely no doubt that this nuns’ “health” class covering contraceptives was never mentioned to the local archdiocese and male Catholic powers-that-be. I also doubt we were the only school to have such “health” classes.
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#38 written by Jean 1 year ago
Tweet of the Day:
Conservatives want less government for the same reason robbers want fewer cops. #p2 #gop #tcot
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Jean, I can’t even begin to tell you how much I love that story!
It also gives me confidence that this old world will keep on turning, and women will keep right on managing conception, contraception (and abortion when necessary) just as they always have… privately amongst themselves, with love, wisdom and understanding for the unique issues that women share and men can never, never understand.
In fact, I think this is why men keep trying to meddle in this with their foolish, heavy-handed laws and rules. They know it’s the one area… the one magical, marvelous thing that belongs just to women… the thing that men can never, never control, no matter how hard they try. And that just drives them NUTS.
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#40 written by curious jane 1 year ago
Jean,
That is funny. The Catholic Church (men) sure didn’t know that those sneaky penquins were educating their young charges. Maybee some of them worked in the homes for pregnant girls, hidden away, in disgrace, forced to have their child and never see it. It was very tragic for these young women, some of them never recovered emotionally, from the disgrace and shame.
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#41 written by Jean 1 year ago
fili and curious jane,
This occurred in the years when abortion was illegal — before Roe v Wade. Abortions were not only difficult and only feasible for the wealthy, but also very dangerous — making the nuns attempts to educate us on contraceptives all that more important.
One of my close friends, and who is still a close friend all these many years later, got pregnant when a freshman in college (1968), was disowned by her own family, sent away to an “unwed mother’s home”, gave birth to a healthy son and was forced by her family to give her child up for adoption if she ever wanted to be part of her family again.Years and years ago my friend provided the adoption agency with her name and contact information, hoping that once her child became an adult he might search for her — his birth mother — and want to contact her, and she wanted to make that search easy for him. She so loves him and wants to hear from him, but so far, she has not. It’s likely that her child was never told he was adopted.
My friend went on to marry, had 5 additional sons, but still holds a part of her heart for the son she had to give away. That era was a very cruel and brutal one for women.
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It’s sad. The last poll I saw on the topic showed that about the same percentage of men and women are opposed to legalized abortion. About the same percentage of men and women support it. Almost the same percentage of men and women are in favor of, or are opposed to, legal contraception.
And yet, the public spokespersons opposed to these things are almost all male.
My feeling is that this is about basic human rights. It should be a “rights” issue, not an issue that is used to divide men and women.
I favor minority rights, even though I am a middle-aged middle-class white male. Rights are rights. We should all have voting rights, rights to join a union, religious rights, rights of free speech, immigration rights, marriage rights, privacy rights. If we start abridging rights, then no rights are safe. Liberty is liberty.
Contraception should be everyone’s right. This is not about men vs women. It is about human dignity.
The idea that one group supports rights, and another doesn’t, offends me. Take away anyone’s rights of conscience, and we all are threatened.
Conservatives like to say that powerful organizations — churches, corporations, states, monied special interests — have more rights than individuals. That’s bull. Rights belong to We the People. Corporations are not people. Churches are not people. Only people are people.
If viagra is covered by health care (and it is) then abortions and contraception should be as well. If men and women can marry, then so should men and men, or women and women, white or black or speckled, Catholic or Hindu or Muslim or Jew or atheist or Pagan.
Either we accept the Constitution or we don’t. I do. The liberals I know also do. This is not a theocracy. Rights is not an option. America is about human rights.
It’s really that simple.
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and men can never, never understand.
And as Bill Mayer commented last nite on Real Time, especially 70 year old virgin men who wear dresses ie Catholic priests/bishops!
Jean, the Catholic church changed dramatically in the ‘60s as my first grade teacher, Sister Nadine, ’60/’61, wore the full habit … but by 6th grade, Sister Alma, who used to like pulling ears, mine included, was wearing a far less restricted habit. And as regards to sexual education, they probably just “assumed” by the late ‘60s everyone knew about contraception/birth control.
Many would argue a far more earth shattering change
was switching from Latin to English after the 2nd Vatican Council in 1963.That said, there’s no education quite like a parochial school education as it was surely a lot more “interesting” than public schools. Especially in the “radical” ‘60s.
btw, as “we” used to say in the late ‘60s ~ Jesus is comin’ again, and boy is he pissed!
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It’s likely that her child was never told he was adopted.
Although I’m sure that may have still happened in the late ‘60s, early ‘70s. Those type of situations were far more prevalent in the ‘30s/‘40s/‘50s when folks were a tad more close minded and protective of the child. Being adopted was never a “big deal” to anyone in my extended family, but hey, most of them were Irish on my mom’s side, speaking of contraception lol. My mom’s mom was the youngest of (11) and my mom was one of (10). Once upon a time my mom had over 90 cousins.
Erin Go Bragh!
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#44 written by curious jane 1 year ago
I can’t imagine the emotional trauma to a girl or young woman forced or conned into carrying a child to term and giving it up. I know there is a shortage of white babies for adoption and sometimes I wonder if this isn’t the reason there is this emphasis pushed by people who fear that whites are becomming less and less the dominant race. It is only a feeling I have and feel that their is a real hidden fear out there. “The other” is some kind of threat. There is no shortage of children to adopt, the market is just a little more diverse.
If a young girl is forced or conned into keeping a child, she makes a lifetime commitment and limitation on her futue prospects. This is done before the mind is mature and able to grasp the responsibility foisted on her.
The resistance to teaching the real biological aspects of reproduction and being taught abstinence does not work. Kids, with their raging hormones get misconceptions, ie: filatio is not having sex, ways to avoid impregnation etc. It is rampant in our children.
This same group is againt stem cell research, environmental and drug regulation, etc.
Yet this same group makes it easy for someone like the guy who shot Gabby Gifford, to go out get a gun, ammo and illegal sized clip meant to have maximum killiing power. The USA’s reputation for senseles killings, by guns and being the source of guns to the Mexican Cartels, etc. baffles me.
I was a regular Annie Oakley, I loved target shooting and became proficient with rifles and handguns, in my younger years. I come from a long line of law enforcement and military and respect the 2nd amendment. “Guns don’t kill, people do”. Too many evil people have access to them, in our country and we supply other countries illegally.
The way things are going it will be easier to buy guns than to vote. I know I am rambling but, my mind can’t grasp the Christian logic of this. I am curious and confused about how this makes sense to the pro-life group.
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Curious Jane,
I agree with what you are saying. I share your sense of confusion.
I once had a very very socially conservative co-worker. (When she left to take a job in the DC area she insisted on living in Virginia even though she worked at NIH in Bethesda because she found Marylanders too liberal. This cost her thousands of hours of her life in extra commute time.)
She was fine with letting her 12 year old son see all manner of killings, beatings, and dismemberments on a movie screen, but if there was any kind of sexual activity on that same screen (i.e. what we used to call heavy petting), she would cover his eyes.
That always struck me as passing strange.
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#46 written by Jean 1 year ago
Another Republican hypocrite bites the dust - Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, who was serving as the Arizona co-chair of the Mitt Romney for President campaign. Wonder what that will do to Babeu’s plans to run for Congress in Arizona’s Fourth Congressional District and his “It’s time for a new Sheriff in Washington” campaign.
“Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu just announced at a press conference that he is a gay man and that he is no longer a part of presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s campaign.
Babeu called the press conference a day after New Times broke the story about allegations from the sheriff’s former boyfriend that Babeu’s attorney threatened him with deportation after he refused to sign an agreement promising not to disclose details of their relationship.“
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/02/paul_babeu_pinal_county_sherif.php
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012–02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/ -
#48 written by Jean 1 year ago
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Rasmussen Tracking ~ Obama 49 ~ Romney 41 ~ Obama +8
Rasmussen Tracking ~ Obama 48 ~ Santorum 40 ~ Obama +8
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Ohio GOP Primary: Santorum 42%, Romney 24%
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52% Say It’s Better for GOP To Work With Obama Than Stand on Principle
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Bud Shootout at 8 pm ~ as Rev. Marvin Winans said during Whitney’s eulogy ~ priorities!
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#50 written by Jean 1 year ago
Coming attractions from the GOP:
Apparently, the word has gone out. With the economy having taken a turn for the better, Republicans need something else to blame on Barack Obama, and they’ve settled on the price of gasoline.
Fox News has taken up the story; Speaker John Boehner and others have echoed it as well. The theory seems to be that the rising price of oil internationally is President Obama’s fault, allegedly because he has blocked expanded oil production here at home.
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#51 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
Of course, sanctions on Iranian oil that the GOP has been screaming aren’t harsh enough have absolutely nothing to do with rising oil prices.
Unlike Al Jazeera’s editorial board I don’t object to the sanctions per se but this is yet another disingenuous attempt by Republicans to pin the blame for the consequences of policies they supported and crafted on the President. And that’s shameful.
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@Jean… Another Republican hypocrite bites the dust - Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, who was serving as the Arizona co-chair of the Mitt Romney for President campaign.
This story puts a whole new spin on Peanuts’ “sweet babboo” phrase, doesn’t it?
What really tickles me is how furious the Freepers are over media coverage of this interesting story. They consider it a gross example of lamestream media bias. “Whenever a Democrat is caught doing something like this, you don’t hear it anywhere,” they complain. “But if it’s a Republican, the coverage is wall-to-wall!“
The poor schmucks seem genuinely unable to understand why an aspiring Republican politician, border hawk and state co-chair of the Romney campaign being forced out of the closet (after attempting to use his office to deport his gay lover who is an illegal immigrant) would be considered at all newsworthy. -
#53 written by Jean 1 year ago
Now that the economy has started improving, I see Redstate has also now picked up on the Chicken Little “the sky is falling” theme — blaming President Obama for high gas prices. No surprise coming from that crowd. Sigh.
http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/02/18/4-50gallon-gas-by-memorial-day/
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Armchair,
Of course, sanctions on Iranian oil that the GOP has been screaming aren’t harsh enough have absolutely nothing to do with rising oil prices.
Of course. If we would just allow more drilling in the US, we’d make up for all that Iranian oil, right? Right?
attempt by Republicans to pin the blame for the consequences of policies they supported and crafted on the President.
That is pretty awful. It’s good political maneuvering, but horrid policy.
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#55 written by Jean 1 year ago
AW,
The key clearly needs to be identifying variables that we can influence. Without some changes in how we do business, not much will change.
What really drives those ‘world prices’?
“Here we go again. Numerous economic indicators once more suggest that our economy has improved — lower jobless claims at the end of the year, a slight uptick in home sales, seven months of improved car sales and a large jump in consumer confidence in December. More important to the conversation, all of this happened during a period in which it appeared that the European debt crisis might spiral out of control, and China’s economic index actually fell into contraction in November. (It rose slightly in December.)
Some analysts are already predicting that gasoline will hit $4 a gallon by the spring of this year, which obviously would not bode well for its price this coming summer. And the usual excuses are all being trotted out as justifying the coming price swing. Last year it was the Libyan Civil War, this year it’s the proposed worldwide embargo on Iranian oil — not to mention additional sanctions that would be placed on any international company dealing with Iran’s Central Bank as a result of trades.
Americans won’t just have to endure the daily reality of gas prices hiked by the speculation in the oil markets; we’ll also get to listen to vested traders trying to convince us that they’re not to blame — those high crude prices result solely from supply shortages. Oh well, that hasn’t actually been the case in the last eight years; maybe this year it will be.
However, unlike three and a half years ago, more people understand that the oil market has always been not a “just in time” inventory system, but a “five minutes after you needed the oil” inventory system.
Certainly Gary Gensler, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, admitted months ago that 80 – 90 percent of all oil contracts are now held by speculators, not by legitimate hedgers trying to purchase oil for refining. Likewise John Bogle, considered one of the finest investors ever to grace the halls of Wall Street, seems infuriated that our financial industry is no longer geared toward long-term investment in America, but instead is solely focused on the quick buck that can be made in the gambling hell we call commodities speculation.”
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/01/06/3639690/2012-energy-prices.html
Today, even one of the most respected investors in American history, John Bogle, is blasting the new Wall Street culture and warning of the long-term economic damage to everyone because we no longer invest in America, we simply gamble on commodities.But as the author summarized, “It would be nice to see the government finally put a lid on excessive speculation and give the average American family a break. That’s not happening, but at least they told the car companies they had to improve the fuel efficiency of their corporate fleets. Which, if nothing else, gives us more great choices.”
IMO, that may not be what is currently happening, but is what SHOULD be happening — end excessive speculation.
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#56 written by Armchair Warlord 1 year ago
Mike,
Or we could build 300 new nuclear power plants and be rid of foreign oil and greenhouse gas emissions forever. A guy can hope, right?
Jean,
I note that when the recession hit in 2008 the price of oil fell to something like $30 per barrel, presumably as speculators fled the market en masse. The real question by this point, however, is how the ten-ton elephant of the global finance industry (which makes up a scary large portion of global GDP for an enterprise which basically involves shuffling IOUs around a table) can be brought to heel. These morons came close to starting a new Great Depression in 2008 and they have learned nothing since — and spent billions on lobbyists to avoid having to. -
#57 written by PWS 1 year ago
WA7:
Is it true that Obama is the first President to refuse to go to court because he didn’t like the law his AG was sworn to defend? Isn’t this the 2nd time he’s done it?
You can see here that a number of presidents, at least three of them Republican, have refused to defend laws they thought unconstitutional.
It is the second time Obama has done it, but both involve essentially the same issue.And anyway, per Holder’s letter:
Notwithstanding this determination, the President has informed me that Section 3 will continue to be enforced by the Executive Branch. To that end, the President has instructed Executive agencies to continue to comply with Section 3 of DOMA, consistent with the Executive’s obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed,
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#58 written by Mainer 1 year ago
I know this is from media matters and our conservative members have probably bought the Fox take on them but it seems to explain some stuff pretty well.
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#59 written by Jean 1 year ago
Mainer,
One of the reasons gas prices are so volatile is because of speculation unleashed when Bill Clinton and Bush 2 deregulated the commodities markets. Previously, commodity trading was restricted to producers and wholesale users because the whole point of a commodity market is to facilitate trading between businesses that actually use the products. It’s not supposed to be a get-rich-quick scheme for arbitrageurs. But now the rest of us pay. As usual, the Republicans are blaming the Democrats for the mess they had a large part in having created.We need to repeal the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 and The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 and get speculators out of the oil market!
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#60 written by Mainer 1 year ago
Yes Jean and we need to seriously look at who has steadfastly blocked the CFTB from doing their job. It isn’t the Democrats. Our domestic oil industry are nothing more than Republican monopolistic whores and until some of them are RICO jailed or found hanging from ropes this will not improve.And I would include some of the elected representatives that are doing their bidding.
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#61 written by curious jane 1 year ago
Jean,
That clear explanation of one of the main reasons for the cost of gas was very informative.
In other words, even though the USA is producing more oil, it isn’t for USA consumption because it is a World market with a bunch of greedy speculators. These speculators only want to fill their pockets at the expense of their fellow citizens. I know captalism is heartless unless it is tempered with social morality, of some sort. This does more damage, financially to the Nation than any of the illegals or freeloaders that people are so angry about. Why isn’t this information made clear to the general public, so that they can make wiser decisions? -
#62 written by Jean 1 year ago
And here comes the religious groups pushing back on opposition to Obamacare:
On Friday, however, a broad coalition of religious organizations filed an amicus brief supporting the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion that should give the lie to any claim that the faith community opposes the ACA. The brief includes a number of major religious denominations, including the policy arm of the United Methodist Church, the General Synod of the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church. Additionally, the brief’s signatories include a wide range of Catholic groups:
Benedictine Sisters, Boerne, Texas; Congregation of the Sisters of Charity of the Incarnate Word, Texas; Dominican Congregation of Our Lady of the Rosary, New York; Dominican Sisters of Hope; Justice and Peace Committee of the Sisters of St. Joseph of Springfield, Massachusetts; Marianist Province of the United States; Sisters of Charity of St. Elizabeth Leadership Team, New Jersey; Sisters of Charity of St. Vincent De Paul of New York; Sisters of the Holy Cross Congregation Justice Committee; Sisters of the Incarnate Word and Blessed Sacrament, Corpus Christi, Texas; Sisters of Mercy West Midwest Justice Team, Nebraska; Sisters of the Most Precious Blood, Missouri; Sisters of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, New York; Sisters of St. Dominic Congregation of the Most Holy Name; Society of the Holy Child Jesus, American Province Leadership Team; Ursuline Sisters of Tildonk, US Province; JOLT, Catholic Coalition for Responsible Investing; Region VI Coalition for Responsible Investment, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee; School Sisters of Notre Dame Coöperative Investment Fund
None of this religious support for the ACA should be surprising. After all, all that these religious groups are doing is following Psalm 82′s command to “Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; [and] deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
Pope Benedict XVI has called health care an “inalienable right,” and added that it is the “moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens.”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/02/21/429184/religious-groups-line-up-to-support-affordable-care-act/
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#63 written by curious jane 1 year ago
Finally, someone is looking at scripture using the intent of “The New Testament”. IMO people who read the Bible with a self-righteous, holier than thou, and judgemental bias, make the Bible is one of the scariest books I have read. (italics?). The judgemental movements have caused some of the most shocking and diabolical cruelty in history.
A political campaign using verse and counter verse from the Bible would make it clear why religion has no place in government. It is sort of an amusing vision that would shine a light on hypocracy. -
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Godspeed ~ John Glenn : 50 years since first U.S. orbit
“The name still resonates and generates goose bumps like few others in the world of spaceflight.
John Glenn.
Even astronauts — not just the rest of us mere mortals — get mushy talking about Project Mercury’s “clean Marine” who led the country’s charge into orbit.
As the world’s most enduring and endearing spaceman gets set to celebrate what no other living astronaut has done — mark the 50th anniversary of his own spaceflight — he finds himself in overdrive reflecting on what has been an undeniably charmed, golden life.
First American to orbit the Earth, aboard Friendship 7 on Feb. 20, 1962. Oldest person to fly in space, at age 77 aboard shuttle Discovery in 1998. U.S. senator for four terms and one-time presidential candidate. Namesake of a NASA center as well as a university’s school of public affairs.
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Ten times, Glenn’s launch was delayed. Finally, on the morning of Feb. 20, 1962, Carpenter called out from the blockhouse, “Godspeed, John Glenn” moments before the Mercury-Atlas rocket ignited.
Glenn did not hear Carpenter’s poetic send-off until after the flight.
“That meant a lot, and it’s meant a lot since then,” Glenn said. “It just showed we were all working together at that time.”
The words came to Carpenter at that moment. It’s become one of the most memorable quotes from spaceflight.
“It was an appropriate bon voyage, a prayer, goodbye and good luck all wrapped up with a concise statement, I think,” Carpenter said from his winter home in South Florida.
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Married for 68 years, the Glenns are virtually inseparable. They met in the playpen as toddlers in New Concord, Ohio.
More than 100 retirees who worked on Project Mercury also will gather for a reunion this weekend at Cape Canaveral.
On Monday, the actual anniversary, the Glenns will attend a gala at Ohio State.”
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Probably my first vivid memory of the space program as it was kind of a big deal in Ohio, IIRC.
Do you wanna go to the moon, Alice?!