Two Race Stories
I ran across two stories this week involving race in this country, and both made me think. So I thought I’d share them with you, in the hopes that you’d have some stimulating thoughts as well.
First is what has happened to the opinions of African-Americans in the United States with respect to same-sex marriage. A recent Public Policy Polling poll shows that support for same-sex marriage in Maryland has increased by 16 points in two months, where now a majority support it. What happened during that time? President Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage, and then the NAACP announced their support as well.
This led me to ponder a few things. Why did it take Obama’s statement to change their minds? Why did it have such a dramatic effect on the African-American community and no others? If nothing else, this strongly suggests that, not only did Obama’s statement not hurt him with that demographic, the tail wagged the dog here. How far could the President take that power?
The other race story is how badly Obama did in the West Virginia and Arkansas primary elections. Much hay was made about the number of West Virginia votes received by Keith Judd, a felon serving time in Texas. In terms of counties carried, Obama did worse in Arkansas, where attorney John Wolfe, Jr., won about half of the square miles of the state. Could this have to do with the President’s race?
Frequent readers may recall that I have often stated that, with respect to criticism of the President, I think the cries of racism are overblown. Nonetheless, we can draw upon some exit polling from four years ago. In 2008 in West Virginia, 21 percent of Caucasians — more than one in five — said that the race of the candidate was an important consideration. Among that group, only nine percent voted for Obama. Similarly, in Kentucky, 18 percent of Caucasians said that the race was important, and again nine percent of them voted for Obama.
This didn’t carry into the deep South — it was not anywhere near as much an effect in Mississippi, Alabama, or Georgia…and, obviously, Arkansas had too much of a home-state effect to see any other effect in its 2008 results — it was concentrated in the Appalachian Mountains, which resulted it a minor reflection in Indiana and Ohio.
It does indicate, then, that racism isn’t a nonissue. It’s less dominant than it once was — Obama’s election is evidence for this — but clearly it’s not gone.
Related articles
- Arkansas Protest Votes Against Obama Are Going to an Occupy Supporter (theatlanticwire.com)
- Obama almost loses Democratic primaries (EndtheLie.com)
- Obama loses 42 percent of Kentucky, Arkansas primary vote. Should he worry? (csmonitor.com)
- President Obama Has A Tough Night In Arkansas Primary Against Unknown Challenger John Wolfe (theamericanteaman.com)
- Where Obama-phobia is rampant (salon.com)
- A Familiar Stripe of Anti-Obama Discontent Runs Through the South (theatlanticwire.com)
- The Washington Post: What’s the matter with Ky. and Ark.? Racism, natch (twitchy.com)

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#2 written by rgbact 11 months ago
As usual, people never want to quantify negative racism in these observations. Evidently, WV and KY voting anti-Obama are clear signs of their overt racism.…but when blacks support Obama at 97%+ levels.…it must mean they collectively are savvy political observers. As I’ve posted many times before.….demograhpic/interest group politics giveth.…..but it also taketh away. Hard to embrace the giveth part, and then whine about the taketh.
But this election will test the emergence of Democrats as the non-white party—which many Democrats have been eagerly awaiting. If Obama wins, I predict a non-white nominee for Democrats for the forseeable future. My early favorites for 2016 are Cory Booker, Deval Patrick, or Michelle Obama.
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#3 written by rgbact 11 months ago
Also, based on Wiki results, a sitting president losing 40% in a state primary is pretty rare. GWB’s worst state in 2004 looks to be NH, where he only got 80%. Clinton averaged 89% in 1996. Even Bush 41 kept Buchanan to only 37% in NH in 1992, and Buchanan didn’t win any states. So the WV and KY and AR votes are significant.…but its not surprising that national media will blow it off as nothing but racism. Thats been the storyline for 3 years now. -
#4 written by Mainer 11 months ago
rgb why in hell would blacks, other minorities, women or a lower end of the economic scale American of any color or race vote for a Republican to start with? I think you may be drawing some incorrect conclusions. That this hasn’t happened before may just indicate that previously we did not have one of our parties trying to actively beat down all the groups I listed. But keep this in mind as well, I’m an old, white, veteran and I like many others like me support this president. So I guess in your calculus we don’t count any more than blacks, other minorities, women or a lower end of the economic scale American of any color or race. But then I am on the lower economic scale so I may have answered my own question.
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#5 written by Max 11 months ago
rgbact,
Please cite for us any quotes that you may find that uphold your assertion that blacks voting in such abundance for Obama that “it must mean they collectively are savvy political observers. “Certainly race has a hand in blacks voting for the first black to win a major party nomination for President, just as there are some percent of whites that vote AGAINST Obama. But, blacks have voted in the upper 80% to 90% for the Democratic nominee anyway, so there is only a minor uptick above that number, that can be attributed to “racial pride”.
Since the above references about 9% of whites voting against Obama who believe race plays a part, it seems the a very similar number of blacks are doing the same.
I predict a non-white nominee for Democrats for the forseeable future.
Which only proves that you are not nearly as astute concerning political strategy as you may think you are. I would almost be willing to bet that one will see a minority on the GOP national ticket, most likely in the VP slot, before the next minority Democratic Presidential nominee. Maybe as early as this fall.
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Mainer,
what is your take on the southern primaries that the Republicans want to make such hay
It’s simple. It’s the old Johnny Carson routine:
Carson: “President Obama is soooo unpopular.“
Audience: “How unpopular is he?“
Carson: “He’s so unpopular that he almost lost to a convicted felon who’s serving time in a Texas prison!”Nothing more than that, really.
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rgbact,
its not surprising that national media will blow it off as nothing but racism
Personally, I think racism accounted for maybe 30% of the issue in those three states. If you look county by county, the ones who voted against Obama all have one thing in common that the counties that voted for Obama did not have.
Any guesses what it is?
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#10 written by rgbact 11 months ago
And this statement illustrates just how little you understand about the Democratic Party.
Its not about understanding a party but rather understanding people voting as a bloc for their demographic. Blacks must be about 30% of democratic primary electorate. If one candidate can corral 90+% of that vote.…they become really tough to beat. The only issue in the past has been a lack of credible candidates. Obama proved that as long as you aren’t a total race hustler like Jesse Jackson, you can do very well.
You really think Michelle Obama wouldn’t win the 2016 nomination if she ran to succeed Barack?
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If Obama wins, I predict a non-white nominee for Democrats for the forseeable future.
Actually, I’d expect Republicans to start nominating minorities. They play gimmicky identity politics to the hilt. The whole reason for putting Sarah Palin on the ticket was that she’s a woman, and the Republican brain trust was convinced they could steal the female Democratic voters who, they were certain, supported Hilary only because Hillary is female. Put aside that the policies McCain and Palin supported were directly opposed to Hillary’s and would be destructive to women. Brilliant Republican strategists are convinced that Democratic voters vote entirely on racial or gender or ethic lines.
It’s the same reason they ran Alan Keys against Obama for the Senate in 2006, and the reason they put Michael Steele as Republican party chair — to prove, “Hey! We got blacks, too!”
So I suspect we’ll see more token minorities nominated by Republicans for high office. They have no concept of what Democratic voters actually vote for.
And comments like rgbact’s truly underscore that point.
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Blacks must be about 30% of democratic primary electorate. If one candidate can corral 90+% of that vote.…they become really tough to beat.
Do you know how to corral 90+ % of that vote? Hint: it has virtually nothing to do with having a black candidate, as proven by the facts that 1) even white Democrats typically get around 90% of the black vote, and 2) black Republican candidates almost never score over about 30% of the black vote.
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#13 written by Mule Rider 11 months ago
“First is what has happened to the opinions of African-Americans in the United States with respect to same-sex marriage. A recent Public Policy Polling poll shows that support for same-sex marriage in Maryland has increased by 16 points in two months, where now a majority support it. What happened during that time? President Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage, and then the NAACP announced their support as well.“
Yeah, you guys know that “blind devotion meme” you all like to dismiss? Sorry, but there’s an inconvenient truth in there that is undeniable.
“Hey, if President Obama stands for it, then I’m all for it as well.” -
Mule,
Yeah, you guys know that “blind devotion meme” you all like to dismiss? Sorry, but there’s an inconvenient truth in there that is undeniable.
What are the limits to that devotion? For example, we can be sure that, were Obama to speak out in favor of slavery, it wouldn’t cause a huge rush of African-Americans looking to hook up with a new “massa”. So the “blind devotion” isn’t entirely blind.
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#15 written by Max 11 months ago
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Max,
Nothing is stronger than the “If Obama’s for it , I’m against it” meme. Nothing. Abso-goddam-lutely nothing.
Maybe this is a fundamental force of physics. MIT and Cal-Tech have to look into this possibility. Republicans simply oppose anything President Obama supports. If he said “I liked my Mom,” Republicans would propose enforced matricide legislation.
This completely explains the last 3.5 years. Period.
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#17 written by Mule Rider 11 months ago
“What are the limits to that devotion?“
Good question. Interesting and a little scary to think about at the same time. It’s why I’ve maintained that I never had that big a problem with President Obama personally — he can’t help he’s just so darn smart and articulate — but it’s how quickly and forcefully the unprincipled people of this country are willing to shape their own opinions to fit his.
@Max and DC,
Nice deflection, guys.
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how quickly and forcefully the unprincipled people of this country are willing to shape their own opinions to fit his.
Perhaps you meant to note “how quickly and forcefully unprincipled people are willing to shape their own opinions to oppose the President’s.” Lots of things they used to be for, they now insist will ruin the country, simply because President Obama offered a compromise which accepts those things. The insurance reform “individual mandate” being the most stunning example.
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#20 written by Mule Rider 11 months ago
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#21 written by Mule Rider 11 months ago
“r perhaps the opinion wasn’t as firmly held as many of us previously thought. But how exactly does that make them unprincipled?“
Maybe not perfectly, but I think holding only very loose, malleable opinions and then letting someone else change them by voicing their own is a prime example of being “unprincipled.” -
#22 written by Mainer 11 months ago
Actually Mule and DC I think you may both be wrong. I think if one could question many individuals on changes in how they view same sex marriage one would find that a majority of those that have changed position were at best tepid in their reluctace of accepting it previously and now because it is so much more out there have been forced to actually think about it and decide how they really do feel.
An individual at the coffee shop the other day surprised a few of us by coming out in favor of gay marriage as it will be presented on the ballot in this state. Some one kidded him by saying the president must have changed his mind. His reply was that the president didn’t have any thing to do with it but some of the over the top bullshit coming out of conservatives sure as hell had.
So this polling change may have more to do with revulsion at the level of homophobic rage that now seems to be on display by some elements in this country and far less with what the president thinks. So keep on raging I doubt blacks are changing positions on this for any other reason than they know what it is to be the oppressed group just because it isn’t them this time or in this situation doesn’t mean they can’t empethise. And once people empathise at one level could that not lead them to realizing they really never did oppose some thing?
And Mule man I would much rather have some one that objectively looked at a situation and made judgements based on present reality than what most on the right are doing in this regard which is knee jerk reacting because some two bit preacher has told them how they must think. Being a damned parrot isn’t being principled it is just lacking the capacity to develop principals of your own. -
Mule,
It would seem to me that being able to gain additional insight that results in a change of heart is not being unprincipled. Rather, I’d look at it as being openminded.I, for one, have far more respect for people who are willing to have their minds changed by additional information, than for those who are afraid of any data that might contradict their existing beliefs.
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#25 written by Mainer 11 months ago
Maybe DC, maybe. I could in some ways include myself in the listing of people that has changed over time. Its odd really as I have had gay and lesbian friends for a very long time but just never really thought about them and their marriage situation until a few yars ago and it wasn’t any of my friends that changed my mind but the anti gay marriage group and their bullshit in this state with various ballot issues along that line. So with the snti’s out there it could well a case of me thinks they may doth protest to much for their own freaking good.
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Michael just out of curiosity what is your take on the southern primaries that the Republicans want to make such hay on basically having the two individuals that did well (and they did) being not even Blue dogs but Republicans that want to call themselves Democrats. Neither one of those people are Democrats by any conventional measure that I can identify So the president got beat by a couple of Republicans, what does that actually mean if any thing? Not a race thing so much as an evangelical conservative trip down another sewer.