I love this country. I spent my life in the private sector, not in government. I only spent four years as a governor. I didn’t inhale.
—Mitt Romney, September 22nd, 2011
If there was a program or agency or department that needed cutting, I did it… That skill I learned in the private sector, and practiced for four years in Massachusetts, where by the way I served in government, but I didn’t inhale. I’m still a business guy.
—Mitt Romney, CPAC, Washington, D.C., February, 2012
Mitt Romney has repeatedly used this line. He’s still using it.
On this Memorial Day, it needs to be said. This is one of the most unpatriotic things we have ever heard from the mouth of a man who wants to be America’s Commander-in-Chief.
Make no mistake. Mitt Romney is comparing being a public servant to being a user of illegal drugs. It’s a slap in the face to all dedicated government workers. On this Memorial Day, it needs to be said. Mitt Romney’s laugh line is a direct insult to our men and women in uniform.
Just as bad, he is admitting he learned nothing from his years as Governor. Previous candidates for the President who are governors or ex-governors — particularly Republican ones — were proud of their experience as the chief executive of a state, claiming that it gave them valuable knowledge which would be useful as chief executive of the nation. That was G. W. Bush’s claim for President. Not Romney. He is straightforward in proclaiming that he took nothing from his experience as Governor of Massachusetts, absorbed nothing, changed not a bit.
Romney is standing the Republican argument of 2008 on its head. Rather than criticize President Obama for being inexperienced, Romney is insisting government experience is downright harmful for a would-be president.
This is a man who claims to want to be in charge of the very thing he denigrates — government. It’s akin to a mob boss running for police commissioner. Why should we elect a man to the highest position in government if that man detests government?
In modern politics, this meme began with President Ronald Reagan, who proclaimed, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” This is a challenge, a denial, a reversal of the very meaning of the U.S. Constitution, which begins with the declaration that “We the People” form and constitute the governing body of America. Following Reagan, nearly every nationally-known Republican since has insisted that government of the people, by the people, and for the people, is something to be feared rather than valued. The concepts embodied in the Constitution drove the reasons our country was created. Reaganism is a denial of America.
The problem here is that, prior to the rebellion of 1776, governments were not constituted of the people. The most powerful slogan of the Boston Tea Party — “No Taxation Without Representation” — had far more to do with representation than with taxation. The American revolutionaries recognized the need for taxation to fund the functions of government. That’s why the Constitution gives Congress the power to tax. “The functions of government” is a phrase that properly means “anything The People decide it means”. The purpose of America is to allow The People to chose their own fate.
Before America, governments were constructed from the cronies of conquerors, or religious zealots, or both. Kings ruled. Peasants obeyed. Nobles profited. The Ruling Class ruled by divine right.
The point of America, for better or worse, was that The People chose to rule themselves. Sometimes The People make mistakes. That may not be ideal, but no God…no King…no oligarchy should have the power to steal from The People the right of self-rule. That is the meaning of America.
Romney’s version of Reaganism is a reversal of that vision. It’s understandable in a way. Mitt Romney was raised as a wealthy and privileged son of immensely wealthy and successful parents. The theory of social Darwinism proclaims that those who are successful deserve to be successful — that is apparent in the fact that they succeeded. Those who fail and are needy deserve to starve — if they had worth, they would find a way to survive. The wealthy are chosen by God. The poor condemn themselves. America, in this view, should properly be ruled by God’s chosen.
We see this idea, more subtly expressed, in the condemnation of “welfare queens” who drive Cadillacs, and people who use food stamps or draw unemployment benefits, and even retired elders on Social Security. All of these freeloaders should have planned for themselves. Every human being is an island. In this way of thinking, “We the People” has no real meaning; rather, our nation is about “Me the Person”.
In his laugh line about declining to “inhale,” Mitt Romney is hearkening back to President Bill Clinton, who admitted that he smoked marijuana in college, but claimed he “didn’t inhale.” Romney wants to admit that he spent some time in government, but deny that this time had any effect on him. Romney is running against the whole idea of government, as if elected officials should really spend their time playing checkers rather than doing The People’s business.
Of all the pandering and lies and misrepresentations and Orwellian newspeak that Republicans commit, this is one that offends me most. Mitt Romney wants to convince America that, because he thinks government is evil, he should be the highest elected official in our government. In that position, I would rather have someone who cares about The People. But maybe that’s just me.
I want a President who thinks that governing our nation is about…governing our nation. I don’t particularly want a President who learned nothing from governing a state, who thinks that America’s purpose is providing profits to investors. That was the Bain Capital model. Romney proudly insists that he has not been pulled away from that. I will take him at his word.
We need a president who understands that governing has to do with governance, not profit. It’s time to inhale.

Thanks, shortchain.
“So, do you agree that religious doctrine should not drive American law, or do you disagree with that?“
It’s a very simple yet a very complex question; one I’d have to answer with both a yes and no. I think religious doctrine is where many people derive their moral code, and it is that moral fabric that drives so many of us to believe what are inalienable or God-given rights, so it’s almost impossible at times to separate the two and is more than just the “happy coincidence” than you suggest. But I also don’t think you can legislate morality, either, and enforce a moral code on someone to have them do things you want so long as they’re minding their own business and not bothering anybody else.
Btw, DC, while I’m talking to you, I owe you a more extensive apology. The despicable/wicked/evil comments were way out of line and over the top, and I’m sorry for that. I should have been shooting for something closer to “naïve”.….anyway, sorry for the hurtful and insulting tone. It was uncalled for.
I don’t know what else to tell you, shiloh, other than I’m sorry you feel that way and hope you’ll accept my apology. I echo mclever’s sentiment that you have very keep observation skills and a combination of intelligence and wit that impresses me, that is, when you’re just free-rollin’ in “polite but witty court jester” mode and not “poke the bear” mode.
@Mule
I think your point about not being able to legislate morality is an important one. As mentioned on Monotreme’s “Hemp of Your Garment” article, we already know that Prohibition doesn’t work, for example. And, from a spiritual perspective, since the person’s heart is more important than what they do or don’t do, legislating morality can have the counterintuitive effect of restricting “immoral” behavior while not improving spirituality, because the immoral hearts and attitudes are not exposed.
For example, which shows greater spiritual fortitude? Refraining from “cheating” on your moral code when “everyone else is doing it” OR fantasizing about cheating and “cheating in your heart” but only refraining because you don’t want to face jail time? If facing criminal punishment is your only reason for avoiding a sin, then you’re no better than a sinner, at least according to my understanding of Jesus’ teachings…
MR, ad nauseam apologies aside
a political blog’s main attraction is entertainment, imo. As again, no social/religious/political problems have ever been solved by blogging.
Part of my entertainment the past (4) years has been speaking the truth about you ie “our” interaction, such as it is. And recently, speaking the truth re: the powers that be at this blog. Indeed, I have a keen grasp of the obvious!
Obviously “we” reached diminishing returns some time ago lol.
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btw, it’s obvious to me the powers that be here truly believe their shit don’t stink, which I’m sure is quite annoying to the few conservative posters. Soooo they might want to work on that aspect of their personalities … or not.
Regardless, “hopefully” life will go on totally unaffected by what happens here.
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hmm, Maybe this blog should be renamed MeaCulpa.com
Actually, Mule, you’ve got it exactly backward. Religions get their morality from the in-built compassion and empathy that we are born with (except for the pathetic individuals who are broken, either by birth or by upbringing), as filtered through the imperfect lens of religious leaders.
Studies with very young children show that these qualities of empathy and compassion are with us from the beginning.
Mule,
As do I. But there are plenty of people who are not religious, yet have strong morals. And we’ve certainly seen a whole slew of people who are (at least superficially) very religious, yet are horrifically immoral. It is this that drives statements such as DC’s about “happy coincidence”.
That part I bolded is really the key. Regardless of the presence or absence of religion in a person’s life, our nation is founded on this principle above all others. Incidentally, though the Declaration of Independence treats such a principle as “self-evident”, it was shockingly radical for 18th-century England, where it was anything but self-evident. To people in England, the Declaration was laughable, for those colonists were demanding something that citizens of England were denied.
shortchain,
You are about to enter a circular reasoning loop. Do religions get that morality from something in-built, or does the Creator build it in us?
One particularly good reason that religious discussions don’t accomplish much unless everyone involved is quite literally singing from the same hymnal.
As regards to religion ~ Intelligence leads to logic which leads to knowing what is truly right and wrong, the Bible contradicting itself many times notwithstanding.
Although a complete idiot can know what is morally right and wrong and intelligence can lead to someone like Hitler.
Sometimes doing the morally right thing can be quite difficult. And again the obvious, The American Civil War didn’t really solve a frickin’ thing, eh.
Am I still on topic …
mclever,
Great post in #303, especially that second paragraph. Very good points that I agree wholeheartedly with.
shortchain,
We’ll just have to agree to disagree, and I think Michael at least partially alluded to why that is in post #307. It ultimately becomes a chicken-and-egg argument. If you’re predisposed to believing in a Creator, you’re going to believe all morality originates with Him. If you’re predisposed to believing there isn’t one, you’re going to believe morality is innate and people then pursue religious means to express it.
Michael,
Excuse me, but I believe that, in order for your argument to have any meaning, we would have to assume that there is an omnipotent “creator”. I have some Hindu friends, and some Chinese friends, who would take exception to that assumption. Yet they are, by and large, quite moral folks.
So either we have to assume that all the worlds religions except the ones that posit an all-powerful creator are wrong (Oh, and presumably all the remaining religions, which do necessarily agree with each other, all all wrong. All but one.) — or that the appearance of a circularity is an artifact of the assumption of an all-powerful creator.
I invoke the spirit of the Earl of Occam. And now I have to go. Some days I would settle for just a reasonably competent and diligent creator, someone who would make it a little less time-consuming to do what I need to do.
shiloh, you’re often amusing, frequently insightful, and I love your snarky sense of humor. But mclever is correct about the personal stuff. As with Mule, you’re most interesting when you’re least rabid. Come back to the light, little grasshopper.
Michael,
This sub-topic began with DC’s assertion that by denying gays the right to marry, government is imposing it’s will on the people.
My argument was that government cannot impose it’s will on someone by not issuing them a piece of paper. However, gays have every right to enter into a “spiritual joining”.
The counter argument is that that piece of paper represents a civil contract and that by denying gays the right to enter into that contract means government is imposing it’s will on them and denying them the same rights as heterosexual marriages. I get that.
But if gays can freely enter into what Michael aptly describes as a “spiritual joining” and that arrangement is recognized as a legal civil union which allows the same benefits of marriage, what legal rights are being denied?
GROG,
I think his assertion was that religious people were imposing their will on the people.
That sounds a lot like Plessy v. Ferguson…
Not to me.
I’ll ask again, if gays can freely enter into what Michael aptly describes as a “spiritual joining” and that arrangement is recognized as a legal civil union which allows the same benefits of marriage, what legal rights are being denied?
GROG,
How is what you described different from “separate but equal”?
Grog,I don’ tknow the answers to the following questions. They are honest questions.
If same-sex couples get the same benefits from civil unions as from marriage, why not call it marriage?
If you refuse to call it marriage, what is it, exactly, that you’re denying to them?
Clearly, there is some difference between marriage and civil unions. You are insisting that one of these terms should be used, and not the other. What is it that you wish to deny to same-sex couples?
Thank you Mule. Apology accepted.
Some other day, we’ll approach the topic again. I actually think I understand your position. Without the harsh words, I suspect our positions will be closer than you might think. Closer — certainly not the same. But we’ll talk another day.
Thank you again.
GROG,
There’s that right to refer to themselves as married. There’s also the threat, if there is a legal distinction between the two, that any future benefits allowed to married people would not be automatically granted to “civil unions”, and also the threat that future legislation could further circumscribe the rights of those in “civil unions”.
DC,
Who said they can’t call it marriage? Remember, I’m the one who argued marriage is not a “legal contract”. You argue it is. Everyone has a God given right to join into a spiritual union and call themselves married.
I don’t. Again, I think marriage is more than a government issued document giving certain property rights and such.
No, I’m not.
shortchain,
Don’t look now, but you guys are making the argument that marriage is much more about a “spiritual union” that it is about a “legal contract”.
GROG,
No. Under your proposed “separate but equal” civil unions, those who have made civil unions would not be able to say they were legally married.
This has nothing to do with some “spiritual union”, which exists only in the mind of the people involved.
Then I’m confused. Are you for or against legalized same-sex marriage?
GROG,
It’s an issue of simplicity, in part.
At the Federal level, according to a 2004 GAO letter to then-Sen. Frist, there are over 1,000 statutory provisions that mention “marriage” and outline rights and benefits (some small, some large) that accrue.
If we were to define a class called “marriage but not really because you’re gay”, then we would have to insert that class into each and every one of those 1,000+ statutes. And that’s just at the Federal level; there would, I imagine, be a similar number for each state. Alternatively, we could go through the list and see which ones are okay and which ones are not, which is where Michael’s “separate but equal” comment comes in. Miss one of these, even “benefits for certain uranium workers”, and you run smack up against the 14th Amendment issues outlined by Judge Walker in his Prop 8 ruling.
You continue to deny that the word “marriage” has a use in our system of laws, but that denial does not change the reality. As someone who has recently gone through a divorce, I am keenly aware of the legal ramifications of marriage and the dissolution of those legal rights and privileges.
I’m against it for this reason. It strips the right of my children to someday enter into an age old, spirititual and civil institution that has been defined as being between one man and one woman.
If you think that’s a hate filled opinion, then you better be able to fully support a society where polygamous marriages and bigamous marriages (where all parties are consenting) is acceptable.
No grog, it has no effect on your children’s right(s) re: marriage. And haven’t heard the Mormon deflection for quite some time. Usually it’s the Santorum deflection ie beastiality.
The plain fact is gays have existed since the beginning of civilization er human evolution. So try to deal w/it as best you can.
take care
How? In what way are they prevented from getting married to someone of the opposite sex? What am I missing?
Are you sad because they wouldn’t be the only ones siting in the front of the bus?
GROG,
It does absolutely zero to spiritual institutions. Zero.
As for the civil institution, are you similarly sorry that you were stripped of the right to enter into the age old civil institution that was defined as being between one man of a particular race, and one woman of the same race?
I’m sure that what GROG means is that his descendants wouldn’t be able to enter into the age-old institution by a marriage broker, and to then be unable to get out of it for the rest of their lives. That was, after all, the traditional way.
Michael,
Nope. Marriage is defined between one man and one woman. Not one man of a particular race and one woman of a particular race.
Are you also an ardent supporter of polygamy?
GROG,
Yes, the civil institution is today. But it hasn’t been for very long. It has changed considerably over the past few centuries. You are aware of this, aren’t you?
Ardent? Not really, but I also wouldn’t object if it were legalized. So what?
grog, there have been (27) amendments to the U.S. Constitution …
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity …
As MW mentioned re: your deflection ~ So what?
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btw, this is why many intelligent folk consider Mormonism et al religions a cult, much like the Branch Davidians who were led by David Koresh.
As your fellow extreme conservatives would say, don’t tread on me!
No!!!! That is flat out a piece of horse manure. For which you have neither legal or Biblical source.
Even the “spiritual” part is crap and completely ignores Biblical traditions the are “age-old”.
GROG, once again, I can take you BACK to school on the subject and give you chapter and verse with a DIRECT contradiction to your statement. As I have previously demonstrated, there is NO, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE, Biblical justification that states that marriage is to be between “one man and one woman”! From Leah and Rachel on down, the truth is there is NOTHING in the Bible that forbids plural marriage. I have quoted for you previously many of those citations, including the “become one flesh” (remember the whore? 1 Cor. 6: 16 ) red herring.
Your children, your nieces and nephews, your neighbors children, anyone, may marry a person of the opposite sex, if same sex marriage is legalized, with all the spiritual fervor as you say you and you wife have for one another.
But for all the “religious” bloviating on the subject, one thing is absolutely certain: Whomever I marry, whomever your neighbor marries, whomever ANYONE else marries, is NONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED BUSINESS! And you have no more right in that decision than I should have in YOUR decision to have married your wife!
NONE!
So keep your quasi-gnostic, self-serving, prejudiced, ignorant nose out of other people’s business when it comes to the civil law and contracts, under which civil marriage definitely falls.
GROG,
Since you are not from the South and you are not old enough to remember Jim Crow and the concurrent days, I will expand:
In the 50’s and 60’s, during the arguments (and political revolution and bloodshed) over civil rights, voting rights, and “separate but equal” laws in schools, restrooms, water fountains waiting rooms (yes, ALL these things I have first hand remembrance), one of the leading arguments the proponents of the status quo was from Genesis, Chapter 6, verses 22–25. The “sin” of Ham in seeing his Noah’s nakedness and God’s “punishment” of Canaan, Ham’s descendants such that would be slaves was used time and time again to justify, Biblically, the subjugation of blacks. Good people. Well meaning people. Christian people. They used religious and spiritual justification for their reasoning for civil law maintaining that status quo.
Now you can sit there now, in a different time and place, and say “They were wrong. They took it out of context. Their reasoning was faulty.” But IT HAPPENED. And FOR OVER A CENTURY their “religious” and “spiritual” justification influenced civil law. And they held an entire race of people in subjugation and WITHOUT EQUAL CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW!!!
All based on their righteous belief.
And
you (and the people making the argument you are making)
sound
EXACTLY
like
those
people
did
50 years ago,
The same certainty, the same fervor.
And as THEY were WRONG, so are YOU.
grog appears to be done w/this thread … ‘nuf said!
Max, Michael,Mono,DC,
The more I think about this issue, the more I think you are probably right. My views on homesexuality have changed a lot over the years overall.
My first cousin is a lesbian who has been in a relationship with the same woman for 10 years. They have 2 children conceived by in vitro. They are both wonderful parents and we couldn’t imagine our lives without the two kids and her partner.
They are both rather apolitical people and have no desire to get married although they both support legal civil unions. Naturally, they have many gay friends and many of those feel the same way towards marriage, for whatever that’s worth.
But I understand I shouldn’t stand in the way of people who do wish to join into the same institution of marriage that I have.
GROG,
May I be the first to congratulate you for that statement.
As hard as you have advocated your position, against withering and sustained attack, it takes a lot of courage to “come out” with a differing view.
Thank you, and, again, congratulations.
Let the record show grog is now ineligible for the presidential nomination of the Republican party.
ok, ok, mittens once upon a time said I’ll be better than Ted Kennedy on gay rights!
Romney also said in 2006 re: marriage I agree with 3000 years of recorded history.
hmm, maybe mittens should re-check the history of the Mormon religion. Oops!
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ok, ok, thru the years Romney has so many contradictory positions on every major political issue it’s hard to keep track …
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And yes, since the evolution of gays comin’ out of the closet, just about everyone has a relative/friend who is gay. And most appear to be as threatening as Ellen Degeneres!
For the record voted against Ohio Issue 1 in 2004 ~ a ballot measure that amended the Ohio Constitution to make it unconstitutional for the state to recognize or perform same-sex marriages or civil unions. The referendum was approved by 62% of the voters. btw, Kerry lost Ohio by 2.11% er 119k votes.
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Also interesting Kerry’s campaign outspent Bush in 2004 by a tad, but Bush was an incumbent, wartime president ie a big advantage. I digress.
GROG,
Thanks for your thoughts. For what it’s worth, I came to the same conclusion through the same route. I think it’s how the majority of Americans have come to support at least some form of legal protection for same-sex unions.
Grog,
I commend you for thinking seriously about this issue.
I have always known you as a stand-up guy, which is why your stand on homosexual relationships bothered me. I hope that I remain polite and considerate when I speak with you, since you have been one of the most even-tempered people I know.
Thanks guys. President Obama changed his stance on the issue, so can I.
So grog is sayin’ Obama is a leader, Romney not so much. But again, since mittens has so many positions on so many political issues, he’s a certain kinda leader er charlatan also lol.
@GROG
I’ll just echo what others have already said. Kudos for giving the issue serious thought, and for being able to admit you’ve changed your mind. The path you describe towards familiarity and acceptance is one that millions of Americans (including myself) have followed over the past several years, though our starting and ending points may be a little different.
To everyone else, if we think about it, conservatives admitting that civil unions are OK or desirable is a tremendous change from 25 years ago when only fringe lefties supported such “extremist gay-agenda nonsense.” (Note: I’m not quoting anyone specific here.) According to Gallup, just 25 years ago, only 32% of Americans polled thought gay relations should be legal at all, while today that number is 64%. I may agree with the “separate but equal” issues with regard to Civil Unions, but sometimes it’s worthwhile to step back and look at how far we’ve come just in my lifetime.
shiloh,
Not really. GROG only compared himself with the President as two people who changed their positions on this one subject. (As have millions of other Americans have done. Including myself.)
GROG,
In a word, what you were trying to describe of the relationship between yourself and your wife was “love”. A deep and abiding love between two people who wished only to share that love with one another for the rest of their lives. Not just lust. Not just infatuation. Although those are integral to the concept. Real love.
It’s that simple, really.
And when two people find that, in this world with all it’s issues, and want to share each other’s dreams, bodies and lives, it should not be discouraged, but accepted and rewarded.
For all people.
I have moved my position on plural marriages in the recent past. (Heinlein got the ball started down that hill years ago) I couldn’t do it, but I have watched Sister Wives the past season, and, even taking the editing that occurs into account, seeing the interactions and the ups and downs, but mostly the love. The final episode last season, the birth of Solomon, was the most enlightening. The reactions of the other sister wives, but mostly those of the other children, convinced me. It’s nobody’s business but their own, and where love like that exists, it takes really selfish, ignorant assholes to try to deny them that love.
I guess I’m the oddball. I don’t think my position has evolved much (if at all) since I hit puberty and so began to gt a grasp on the issues. It’s always been my thought that consenting adults should be allowed to do whateverthehell they wanted, and that love is too rare to stand in anyone else’s way.
My stand on polygamy (or polyandry) is that it looks like too much work to be practical for very many people. With a couple, there is one relationship (that between the two people). With three individuals, there are four relationship (three relationships pairs — A/B, B/C, and C/A — plus the relationship that includes all three of them) so the complications and opportunities for gameplaying (intentional or not) rise exponentially. With four people, the number of permutations gets downright unwieldy. I leave the equation for the general case as an exercise for the reader.
If three or more people want to get married, I don’t have a problem with that. Why should I care? I just can’t see it working well very often. I also don’t get to decide who has a divorce, or who cosigns for someone else’s car. Marriage is a legal contract, and I don’t have the right to interfere with someone else’s legal relationships. Marriage is also a joining of love, and I have no place getting involved in that, either.
Notice, the key is “consenting adults” — the people who our society allows to sign legal contracts. What right has anyone else got to intrude either into legal matters, or matters of the heart, that don’t involve them personally?
Max,
My only objection to plural marriages is one of how to deal with the overwhelming amount of legislation necessary to make it happen. The easy part is saying that it’s an OK thing to do, but here are some complicating questions:
And tax law would need to change as well, since suddenly the married tax law becomes a much more involved process.
In other words, plural marriage is logistically a much harder change to make than merely degendering the titles of the two spouses.
@DC
I’m guessing you weren’t raised in an ultra-conservative, ultra-religious home where homosexuality wasn’t even admitted to exist… I think I was in college before I realized it wasn’t just a lie that some people made up to discredit other people they didn’t like. Since then my own opinions have “evolved” rather dramatically.
@Michael
Of course, you’re absolutely right about the legal complexities of plural marriage in comparison to two-person marriages.
Trust you to bring up the practical concerns.
MW,
Not really. And certainly no more complicated than existing contract law applied to contracts involving more than two parties.
In many cases simply inserting terms as “pro-rata share”, or “proportional as to number of principles” in existing law would resolve most of the issues you raise, in terms of dissolution or an intestate death.
I believe that, yes, in plural marriage (line, as well as polyandries and poligamies), all parties are married to each other. In the case of one spouse passing the other two (3, 4, 12) could “divorce” if they wished, or stay together for whatever reasons. Again, pro-rata would apply, just as community property does now at 50⁄50. Same as now with prior separate property. Same as now with children of a previous marriage brought into the new family.
All children of the marriage are considered equally, regardless. In the case of dissolution, the natural mother of minor children would have precedent over the other wives as to custody, but as now, the court would have final say in the case of conflict.
I don’t believe it would be anywhere near as difficult as you imagine.
You’re guessing correctly. Though I think my parents were both as straight as they come, neither had particular hangups about it.
My mom, bless her heart, now in her 80’s, gets more radicaly leftist the more she ages, rather putting the screws to the idea that people invariably get more conservative.
Abraham having (3) wives and Moses having at least two companions
notwithstanding … according to the Bible, re: Obama’s leadership again, what can sway public opinion (36) pts. in two mos. in the African/American community as to Maryland’s gay marriage referendum?
Obama comin’ out in favor of gay marriage.
And Max was being facetious concerning leadership, as nothing will sway blog conservatives to say anything good about Obama regardless. It’s how they roll …
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dc, my mom just turned 90 and the more conservatives hate Obama the more she likes him lol as again, that’s how she rolls.
btw, she always had the hots for Rock Hudson and also liked Montgomery Clift, I digress.
Max,
Well said. It really is that simple and I think that’s the most important point you made. Thanks.
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