Rebirther

But the rea­son Rosen made the com­ment was due, I believe, to Mitt Rom­ney say­ing that he found out about the eco­nomic con­cerns of women by talk­ing to Ann Rom­ney.
 
She has a col­lege degree and cam­paigns with him con­stantly where she pre­sum­ably talks with tons of vot­ers. All she was doing was say­ing “hey Mitt, peo­ple are con­cerned about the econ­omy from what I gather” not “hey Mitt, here’s my ideas for cor­po­rate tax reform”.
 
Pretty inter­est­ing the lack of def­er­ence to wives these days. I remem­ber Hillary Clin­ton being tapped by Bill to head up health care reform, despite hav­ing lit­tle expe­ri­ence in health care. Still I hardly recall much back­lash from the GOP (at least ini­tially), even though I think its an impeach­able offense. So we go from that huge role with lit­tle back­lash to Ann Rom­ney say­ing about the econ­omy to Mitt that pretty much any­one over 18 is qual­i­fied to say.….and lib­er­als bash her for not being qual­i­fied to speak.
 

Any­ways, so who should more denounce a supporter.….Romney and Trump or Obama and one of his biggest donors, Bill Maher?
 
Birther­sim is just another dumb dis­trac­tion, that cer­tainly is far more kept alive by lib­er­als as I almost never hear about it on con­ser­v­a­tive media. Is their evi­dence that shows there are more GOP birthers than lib­eral ⁹⁄₁₁ Truthers or any other con­spir­acy about Bush? And does Obama need to denounce all his Hol­ly­wood Truther donors?

Indeed, Obama has thrown many under the bus, whereas mit­tens is an afraid/​​passive sheep.
 
Actu­ally, I’d say throw­ing peo­ple under the bus is being afraid. My sense is the Rom­ney team plans to wisely treat the media as an adver­sary in this elec­tion. As Newt showed, it can be very suc­cess­ful and I think even many inde­pen­dent vot­ers are com­ing to real­ize that the MSM is lit­tle more than an exten­sion of the Obama PR team. So, I doubt Rom­ney will cower just because the media loves to dis­cuss the birther issue. No one else cares.
 
I see rgbact con­tin­ues to make asser­tions that he cannot/​​will not back up.
 
It a thread about crazy birtherism. All I can offer is asser­tions, but I defer to your greater wis­dom on the issue.

A lit­tle evi­dence would go a long way in back­ing that up
1) There was a NBC prime­time spe­cial last month on the anniversey of the OBL killing. Basi­cally alot of gush­ing over Obama and team’s han­dling of this great accom­plish­ment. Here is how the Bal­ti­more Sun’s media critic (I’m assum­ing he’s a straight shooter) assessed the jour­nal­is­tic qual­ity.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012–04-27/entertainment/bal-nbc-news-situation-room-ning-up-20120427_1_tom-donilon-white-house-situation-room-osama-bin-laden
 
2) A week or so later, ABC sat down for an exclu­sive and “his­toric” dis­cus­sion with Obama on his new sup­port of gay mar­riage. Rather than face real reporters ask­ing tough ques­tions, Obama sat down with ABC’s ver­sion of Oprah Win­frey, Robin Roberts. Roberts, who is both gay and black, reported get­ting “chills” over the “his­toric” inter­view.
 
I could come up with more, but I think those 2 events in the last month really sealed it for many peo­ple on how the MSM is the defacto Obama press team. But I don’t dis­agree that all media is con­flicted as they also want a tight race for rat­ings.
 
any more than they call Rom­ney on his lies, but in the area of lying through one’s teeth, Obama isn’t in the same class.
 
I sug­gest you offer an arti­cle doc­u­ment­ing these “lies”. I will respond to each one. Given the lib­eral pen­chant on here for refer­ring to opin­ions as lies, my guess is you’re exager­at­ting a bit. 

Don’t dis­miss these out of hand as “par­ti­san” — sure they are, at least to some extent.  Still, the lies they dis­cuss are eas­ily checked.
 
I don’t dis­miss them, I think its valid and I don’t like peo­ple fudg­ing num­bers pur­posely. I’d much pre­fer if the Obama campaign/​media would spend its time on stuff like this than Mitt’s dog or birtherism. I might con­clude that they think even cor­rect­ing the “lies” will put Obama in a bad light. Do you really want to be cor­rect­ing your oppo­nent by say­ing “No,I didn’t dou­ble the debt, it only increased 50%” or “no. I didn’t raise the cor­po­rate tax rate…I just raised other taxes $400B+ to pay for PPACA”. Looks like they don’t.   

Please let me know if you wish to con­tinue, because I have MANY more.
 
I said to write a damn arti­cle on it. This is a lefty site, pre­sum­ably it’ll be a hit. If you have MANY more, it should be easy to write, very damn­ing, and finally bring  some­thing sub­stan­tive to the Obama cam­paign. So get writ­ing. Maybe you can have a run­ning update of Rom­ney lies. Lord knows, I’d rather fact check Mitt’s argu­ments than dis­cuss birtherism, Mitt’s dog, gay mar­riage, or ban­ning birth con­trol for another 5 months.

My guess is its a cam­paign strat­egy to tell lit­tle lies, in the hopes that the other side responds to cor­rect you.…thus engag­ing in a topic that they don’t want to dis­cuss in the 1^st place. There was a Rom­ney cam­paign early on where Obama’s words were obvi­ously out of con­text. Obama peo­ple went crazy on MSNBC to cor­rect it. Mean­while, the ad ended up being run on MSNBC all day long, for free. So the prob­lem for the Obama team is, whether cor­rect­ing the lies dis­tracts you to uncom­fort­able top­ics. Or is it bet­ter to just go back to dis­cussing the war on women?

If you don’t think the SIX con­crete cases I’ve cited as suf­fi­cient, I doubt ANYTHING will change your mind.
Its not a mat­ter of “suf­fi­cient”, its a mat­ter of spread­ing cor­rect infor­ma­tion. As far as “change my mind”, I agreed on at least a cou­ple, so you (as usual) are attribut­ing a stance to me that I’m not tak­ing, pre­sum­ably to argue against a straw man for jol­lies.
 
No arti­cle is nec­es­sary. All you gotta do is Google “Rom­ney lies”
Well hell, lets shut down the web­site, cause most of the con­tent is also eas­ily googleable.
 
Do YOU want to take my bet?
 
Why bet? Research and write a damn arti­cle. Yes, the Solyn­dra bash­ing is rife with peril, since it could just be one of those “every­one does it” issues. That said, so was the “Corn­husker kick­back” and other stuff, so I don’t mind more trans­parency. Thats why I keep say­ing, do the damn research on these issues that the media doesn’t want to do, quit crow­ing, and write a damn arti­cle so we can all learn something.

 
Since YOU are so fix­ated on writ­ing arti­cles, why don’t YOU write a cou­ple.
 
I wrote one awhile back. But, its a lefty site, so not the best place for post­ing arti­cles bash­ing Oba­macare or what­ever. I already think I spread to much con­ser­v­a­tive pro­pa­ganda in here.
I’ll take that as a no.
Yep, Some bets are just too lame. Maybe we can bet on whether the US will declare bank­rupty within 5 years? Or maybe we can not bet and instead come up with con­struc­tive ideas to pre­vent it?