Open Mic June 15
Syria seems to be headed toward full-scale civil war. Egypt’s military rulers are taking over as the country’s highest court dissolves parliament. President Obama either thinks the private sector is “doing fine” or it’s not, depending on who you ask. Nate Silver gives the President a 64 percent chance of re-election.
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#2 written by rgbact 11 months ago
why should a presidential candidate honestly treat each potential voter equally?
You should have faith that a) “Sheldon” only gets one vote and b) the rest of the people ultimately won’t “buy” an inferior product—whether its a TV or a car or a politician–no matter how much its marketed. And that if they are easily persuaded, well then the “value” of Obama wasn’t really that great anyway. In that case you can join me in crusading against dumb voters. -
#3 written by Max 11 months ago
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#4 written by Max 11 months ago
rgbact,
people ultimately won’t “buy” an inferior product—whether its a TV or a car or a politician–no matter how much its marketed. And that if they are easily persuaded, well then the “value” of Obama wasn’t really that great anyway. In that case you can join me in crusading against dumb voters.Are you affirmatively stating that you have NEVER been influenced by advertising to purchase a product?
BTW: Do you own a pet?
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#5 written by WA7th 11 months ago
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#6 written by rgbact 11 months ago
Are you affirmatively stating that you have NEVER been influenced by advertising to purchase a product?
No, I’m saying that I haven’t been influenced to drop a product I like just cuz I saw a cool commercial for another product and I haven’t been successful marketing to prospects who loved their current vendor. -
#7 written by Max 11 months ago
rgbact,
No, I’m saying that I haven’t been influenced to drop a product I like just cuz I saw a cool commercial for another product
So, to clarify, you are stating that you are still using the same products you have used all your adult life? If that is NOT a true statement, how did you find out about replacement products? And what WAS the reason for change? Previous dissatisfaction? Trying something new?
And, again, do you own a pet?
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I haven’t been successful marketing to prospects who loved their current vendor.
Then you’re just not a very good salesman, obviously. btw, how do you sell a charlatan who got embarrassed by Ted Kennedy and John McCain and won his one political race w/49%, deciding not to run for re-election in MA ’cause he would be have been totally embarrassed again? Rhetorical.
ie w/$$$ from his billionaire buddies …
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#9 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#10 written by mclever 11 months ago
As I watch the EURO soccer tournament, I can’t help wishing I could control the headlines for a major financial journal for a day. Greece has the very unlikely task of beating Russia (and hoping the Czechs lose) tomorrow or they’re out of the tournament. I really want to be able to run a front page headline: “GREECE OUT OF EURO!”
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#11 written by shortchain 11 months ago
rgbact,
Seems to me that people who believe in that “1 man, 1 vote” theory, and the theory of an informed electorate, aren’t found in politics today. Instead we have the spectacle of fund raising events where, if you want an opportunity to actually speak to a candidate (even your senator), you’d better bring in about 50,000 dollars in your pocket.
And if the candidates and their organizations operate that way, what does this say for your theory?
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The idea that advertising does not affect behavior runs counter to the entire entertainment industry. Television does not exist except as a means to sell advertising.
There’s a reason why, in ads for actual products, you can be sued if you lie too outrageously. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for political ads.
People will buy a product if it is misrepresented, and shown in a light more favorable than accurate. People buy politicians the same way, and there are no laws requiring truth in advertising for candidates.
Thus, we have the propaganda arm of the Republican Party, FOX “News”, lying pretty much 24–7, and misrepresenting their unbroken political ads as if they were news reports. Yes, it alters behavior.
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#14 written by mclever 11 months ago
@Michael
Good catch! Though, Ireland being out doesn’t create quite the psychological ripple that Greece would.
Portugal’s got a decent chance to advance from the Group of Death, but they’ll be facing a desperate, tough Dutch team. Even if Portugal win (or draw) vs. the Netherlands, they’ll still need Germany to handle the Danes in order for them to advance. It gets complicated, but a Portugal win over the Dutch could still see them failing to advance if somehow Denmark win and score at least 3 against Germany.
Spain’s chances are even more fun, because (as you noted) Ireland are already eliminated in their group. If Spain beat Croatia, they win their group, simple enough. They can draw with Croatia and still win the group if Italy beat Ireland by fewer than 4 goals. But, the Spaniards can lose to Croatia and still advance if Ireland somehow beats Italy (not likely). Italy just want a decision in Spain vs. Croatia, because that assures them of advancing if (when) they beat Ireland.
(You always know the real soccer fans if they understand how all the tie-breaker scenarios break down!)
What does soccer have to do with politics? Oh, I don’t know, but you might ask UEFA about the wisdom of scheduling a match between Poland and Russia in Warsaw on “Russia Day” and how that worked out for them… -
#15 written by mclever 11 months ago
With regard to advertising, how many of you are inundated with political ads for Romney or Obama right now?
I don’t remember ever seeing this many political ads this early in a campaign. We’re seeing political ads every other commercial break on stations like ESPN, USA, TNT, which aren’t normally hotspots for political ads until post convention. Even watching on ESPN3.com didn’t work to avoid the onslaught of political ads!
Should I send a (sarcastic) thank you note to SCOTUS for the Citizens United decision? -
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#17 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#18 written by mclever 11 months ago
Did anyone else happen to catch the recent Harvard study from Seth Stephens-Davidowitz on how subtle racism impacts Presidential politics?
Instead of looking at survey data, where people might be more reluctant to admit prejudicial attitudes to a pollster, the Harvard researchers examined Google search data to examine patterns. He used search data from 2004–2007 to establish pre-existing racial attitudes not yet influenced by Obama’s candidacy. According to the paper, increased turnout among African Americans had a very minor impact on the election. In areas with high racial search rates, Obama’s race worked against him significantly:“The results imply that, relative to the most racially tolerant areas in the United States, prejudice cost Obama between 3.1 percentage points and 5.0 percentage points of the national popular vote. This implies racial animus gave Obama’s opponent roughly the equivalent of a home-state advantage country-wide.“
According to the study, the states with the highest racial animosity were West Virginia, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Kentucky, Michigan, South Carolina, Alabama, and New Jersey.
The states with the lowest racial animosity as indicated by the online searches were Utah, Hawaii, Colorado, New Mexico, Idaho, Washington DC, Minnesota, Oregon, Montana, and Wyoming.
If there really was a 3% or higher impact due to latent racism, then the cost of that racial animus certainly outweighed any turnout gains he might have accumulated among minorities. When you consider that lowering a candidate’s votes by two percentage points lowers his odds of winning by about 33%, then Obama certainly has his work cut out for him in what’s shaping up to be a tough electoral battle this year. -
Indeed, if nothing else after all these ad nauseam political ads caused by Citizens United, the conservative Supreme Court’s approval rating of 52% may plummet to 32% lol.
And re: over-saturation, no Republican has ever won the presidency w/out winning Ohio, soooo as an Ohioan I’m damn proud
to be at ground zero this election cycle.Dems just need the media to ask mittens one question ie how would you have voted on kasich Issue 2 union busting referendum? Which was defeated 61⁄39.
Eventually mittens won’t be able to hide from the national press scrutiny which will surely bury the chicken hawk/chicken little, flip/flopping, wishy/washy shyster!
Apologies to flip/flopping, wishy/washy shysters and chickens!
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#21 written by rgbact 11 months ago
With regard to advertising, how many of you are inundated with political ads for Romney or Obama right now?
Is it more or less than the advertising you’re “inundated” by on what car to buy? Do you want that advertising shut down to? Obama gave a nearly 1 hour economic/campaign address yesterday. I felt inundated. It would take alot of Adelson money to buy that kind of advertising, which Obama got for free.
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#22 written by shortchain 11 months ago
rgbact,
Obama gave a speech yesterday? I happened to watch CBS national news yesterday evening, and if you blinked, you missed any mention of it.
You may have an issue with selective perception.
You can’t blame the news for covering it when a candidate says something that he or she hasn’t already said 50–100 times before. Personally, I think Romney is lucky they’re not putting more Romney up on the tube, because, as we pointed out last week, Romney just lies through his teeth constantly, and sooner or later people would notice.
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#24 written by Max 11 months ago
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#25 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#26 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#27 written by mclever 11 months ago
Senator Tom Harkin’s convention speech echoed many themes we’ve often heard from dcpetterson. Things like the successes of Obama and a reminder that the preamble is a part of the Constitution, too. I mean that as a compliment to DC.

Harkin ended with his famous quote that you learned everything you need to know about this election in drivers’ ed: If you want to go backwards, choose R. If you want to go forward, choose D! -
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#30 written by DrFunguy 11 months ago
The news from last week that will have the most lasting impact on our lives was vastly under-reported (even Science Daily News didn’t pick it up until today).
The first characterization of the healthy human microbiome was reported in about a dozen papers in Nature http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7402/full/nature11209.html and PLOS.
A press release here: http://www.genome.gov/27549144
This is transformative research that will profoundly alter our views of disease and how to manage it. I put it on the level of the first controlled fission reaction. There are also socio-political ramifications. Microbial communities vary by ethnicity (ever hear that [ethnic] people ‘smell funny’?) Could be its not just due to diet, but our subconcious fear of ‘the other’ is activated by microbially produced odors; if this hypothesis is supported one can imagine a host of approaches to reducing conflict by mediating the microbiome composition. -
#31 written by DrFunguy 11 months ago
This reminds me of another topic I was thinking about this week — the accelerating pace of technological (and social) change.
Has anyone read
Hybrid Reality: Thriving in the Emerging Human-Technology Civilization by
Parag and Ayesha Khanna
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#33 written by mclever 11 months ago
Apparently, I was right to predict trouble at the Republican convention today… There reportedly has been some pushing, shoving, and angry shouting among the Republicans, and there was loud booing when the name of the Republican nominee was announced. And that was caught on film by the local press…
Contrast with the exuberant and friendly atmosphere on the Democratic side of the convention center, even as we’ve quibbled over minor points of order and other issues, yet always in a respectful manner. When it was announced that Obama had received the support of the entire delegation, that was greeted by a standing ovation.
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#34 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#35 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#36 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#37 written by mclever 11 months ago
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#39 written by mclever 11 months ago
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Speaking of out of the euro, today there are two significant elections, one in Greece and one in Egypt.
The Greek election is going to be important for possible economic implications for the whole world. Egypt is a continuing saga of self-determination.
And there was a smaller one this week in Arizona, to replace Giffords. It stays a Democratic seat.
Now, there’s good news.
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#42 written by mclever 11 months ago
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Another example of acrimony at the Republican convention: discussion on capital punishment in their platform devolved into a debate over rules that included shouting and accusations of cheating.
It’s amazing that Republcians can’t even join together in their desire to kill people. That’s usually entirely non-controvercial.
Oh, and Ron Paul got 21 of the 28 delegates here in Iowa.
I’m sure the Paulines will get in line behind the Rombies when they get into the voting booth in November. But then, the contentious 1968 Democratic convention is widely seen by historians as being a contibuting factor in Richard Nixon’s victory that year.
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#45 written by mclever 11 months ago
@dc
Let’s put it this way… I was probably safer cutting through the Republican area decked out in Obama gear than a Romney supporter walking past the Paulistas.
On the Democratic side, our biggest debate came due to a poorly constructed submission from the platform committee regarding restoration of civil rights after prison. The intent was good, but according to the rules, an amendment to strike/replace original language couldn’t be changed to an addition during debate, even though a majority on the floor clearly thought that the best option. Folks spent about fifteen minutes trying to figure out how to make it work within the rules before just agreeing to vote on the amendment as submitted. oooh, exciting!
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CONSERVATIVE PARTY WINS GREEK ELECTION… PRO-EURO COALITION LIKELY
ATHENS, Greece — “The pro-bailout New Democracy party came in first
Sunday in Greece’s national election, and its leader has proposed
forming a pro-euro coalition government.New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras says “the Greek people today
voted for Greece to remain on its European path and in the eurozone.”He says voters chose “policies that will bring jobs, growth, justice and security.
His party beat the anti-bailout Syriza party, which wanted to cancel
Greece’s international bailouts. Syriza chief Alexis Tsipras has
conceded the election.” -
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When I look at the current state of politics, I have to ask the following question: given that people like Stan Adelson can, and are willing to, spend hundreds of millions of dollars to influence elections, why should a presidential candidate honestly treat each potential voter equally?