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On the home stretch to a vic­tory that could prove Pyrrhic

Last week, Pres­i­dent Barack Obama announced his sup­port for Sen­a­tor Joe Lieberman’s (I-​​CT) Cyber­se­cu­rity Act of 2012. His sup­port comes from a recog­ni­tion that the United States is par­tic­u­larly vul­ner­a­ble to cyber­at­tacks. I agree with him that we are par­tic­u­larly vul­ner­a­ble, and need to do some­thing about it. But we have a del­i­cate bal­ance to con­sider when exam­in­ing our options. The ful­crum of that bal­ance is the Inter­net Cor­po­ra­tion for Assigned Names and Num­bers (ICANN).

Before we look at ICANN, let’s look at Lieberman’s bill.

The Cyber­se­cu­rity Act of 2012 would estab­lish a set of per­for­mance stan­dards for var­i­ous com­pa­nies and orga­ni­za­tions who are respon­si­ble for “crit­i­cal infra­struc­ture”, a term defined in the Unit­ing (and) Strength­en­ing Amer­ica (by) Pro­vid­ing Appro­pri­ate Tools Required (to) Inter­cept (and) Obstruct Ter­ror­ism Act of 2001 (more com­monly known by its acronym: USA PATRIOT Act). Those who meet those per­for­mance stan­dards are exempted from lia­bil­ity for vio­lat­ing pri­vacy laws in cases of dis­clos­ing pri­vate infor­ma­tion to law enforcement.

In a gen­eral sense, the bill is pretty well con­ceived. Dis­clo­sures must accom­pany a belief that it is related to a sus­pected cyber­se­cu­rity attack. It may give a lit­tle too much lee­way to Inter­net Ser­vice Providers (ISPs) to exam­ine the con­tents of people’s Inter­net traf­fic, but it’s unclear that they have much free­dom in that regard.

Where the Act falls short is in a way that many bills in the past (such as SOPA, PIPA, and DMCA) have also fallen short, in rec­og­niz­ing that the Inter­net is inter­na­tional. To under­stand what I mean requires us to look a bit at how the Inter­net works.

When you type “www​.log​a​rchism​.com” into your browser, your com­puter has to find the inter­net pro­to­col (IP) address of this site, which it does by con­tact­ing your domain name ser­vice (DNS) server. It’s akin to look­ing in the phone book for the tele­phone num­ber cor­re­spond­ing to a person’s name. There are tens of thou­sands of DNS servers out there, and odds are that the one you use is run by your ISP. But there are so many domains in exis­tence that your ISP’s DNS server isn’t nec­es­sar­ily going to have in its data­base the list­ing your com­puter is look­ing for. If it doesn’t, it can look fur­ther up the chain as illus­trated in the tree here (i.e., if it doesn’t have “www​.log​a​rchism​.com”, it may have “log​a​rchism​.com”, or merely “com”), and ask the DNS server that owns that por­tion of the Internet’s domains for the infor­ma­tion. Every DNS server must have in its data­base all of the list­ings of the next level (i.e., the owner of “com” [Net­work Solu­tions] has every sin­gle “.com” domain in its data­base). At the very root of the Inter­net is a series of servers, run by ICANN, that han­dle the top-​​level domains (TLDs) such as “com”, “net”, “org”, “edu”, “mil”, and all of the two-​​letter coun­try domains.

ICANN, then, is at the root of all domains.

And where is ICANN? They’re in Marina del Rey, a dis­trict of Los Ange­les, California…in the United States. And that means that the United States Con­gress thinks they can con­trol the Inter­net by assert­ing juris­dic­tion over ICANN. In the very short run, they’re right. But in the long run, they’re very, very wrong.

The office tower in Marina Del Rey which is ho...

The office tower in Marina Del Rey which is home to the Uni­ver­sity of South­ern California’s Infor­ma­tion Sci­ences Insti­tute and ICANN

There’s a rea­son that ICANN resides in the United States. The Inter­net is the evo­lu­tion of DARPAnet, cre­ated by the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency as a net­work archi­tec­ture to be resilient to nuclear attacks on the United States tak­ing out large por­tions of the nation’s infra­struc­ture. The orig­i­nal DNS infra­struc­ture con­sisted of Jon Pos­tel, one man at the Uni­ver­sity of South­ern Cal­i­for­nia, who main­tained a list of all domain names which he peri­od­i­cally pub­lished to peo­ple who could then install the data­base on their own local servers. Aston­ish­ingly, he main­tained this list until his death in 1998. ICANN was set up to replace Pos­tel (who, had he not met an untimely demise, would have been ICANN’s first chief tech­nol­ogy offi­cer) with an orga­ni­za­tion and infra­struc­ture to be far more resilient than a sin­gle person.

But in shift­ing con­trol of the Inter­net from one man to an orga­ni­za­tion, cou­pled with the rapid growth of the Inter­net all over the world, the coun­tries that hap­pen not to be called “The United States of Amer­ica” were con­cerned about con­trol of the Inter­net belong­ing to the United States gov­ern­ment, who would have the power to shut off Inter­net access to other nations at will. At that time, gov­ern­ments out­side the US were push­ing for con­trol of IP addresses and domain names to be han­dled by the United Nations. As you might imag­ine, the prospect of UN con­trol over the Inter­net did not appeal to Con­gres­sional Repub­li­cans, who on prin­ci­ple have long opposed the very exis­tence of the UN.

In order to keep con­trol of the Inter­net geo­graph­i­cally within the United States, ICANN was formed with bylaws that are designed to pre­vent the US gov­ern­ment from exert­ing juris­dic­tional con­trol over the Inter­net. In other words, as long as the US gov­ern­ment remains a benign host, con­trol over the Inter­net can remain in Marina del Rey.

Which brings us back to these cyber­se­cu­rity bills. The more power the United States gov­ern­ment exerts over the Inter­net, par­tic­u­larly ICANN, and espe­cially under the jus­ti­fi­ca­tion of national secu­rity, the greater the like­li­hood that the func­tions cur­rently han­dled by ICANN will move to the United Nations. If it goes to the UN, Rus­sia and China will have sig­nif­i­cantly more influ­ence over issues such as pri­vacy, national secu­rity, and cen­sor­ship. And that would result in the US hav­ing less, rather than more, con­trol over the over­all secu­rity of the Inter­net and our national secu­rity, to say noth­ing of the free expres­sion of ideas that we take for granted today on the Internet.

It’s hard at times for Amer­i­cans to real­ize just how much we take for granted. We must be aware of the del­i­cate bal­ance between the US and the rest of the world in con­trol over the Inter­net. And we must, then, tread lightly in attempt­ing to push our ideals onto the Inter­net over the objec­tions of the rest of the world.




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  1. Excel­lent arti­cle, Michael. You’re absolutely right that it’s easy to for­get how much we take for granted, espe­cially with regard to the way the Inter­net works. It would be so easy for things to change, and not to our liking.

  2. Has the whole site changed for­mat, or have I screwed some­thing up?

    It looks nor­mal when I log on but if I click on a com­ment, I get a com­pressed ver­sion of  all recent arti­cles in a really wide for­mat that I have to scroll across to read.

  3. fil­istro,

    I think some­thing may have got­ten messed up in your cache some­where. That seems to have hap­pened to many of us at one time or another. Clear­ing your browser cache should solve it, but let me know if it doesn’t and I can help you diagnose.

  4. Yes­ter­day we hiked out to a his­toric RCMP grave­yard… some­thing we’ve wanted to do for a long time. It’s deserted and aban­doned on the prairie in Saskatchewan, miles from any­where, a silent, tidy group­ing of grave­stones sur­rounded by noth­ing but tall wav­ing grass, a small herd of ante­lope and a cou­ple of cir­cling hawks over­head. The men in the graves were young Moun­ties (at that time the force was called the North­west Mounted Police) who were killed in the late 1800’s dur­ing the last of the Black­foot upris­ings, or who died of var­i­ous ill­nesses in this iso­lated posting.

    We wan­dered among the grave­stones and talked about what these kids, liv­ing in such vast lonely iso­la­tion, would have thought of the Inter­net. Imag­ine a tech­nol­ogy that unites the entire world, is read­ily acces­si­ble to almost every­body  and con­tains the massed knowl­edge and retained his­tory of the human pop­u­la­tion since the begin­ning of time… every­thing from cook­ing to quan­tum mechanics.

    We asked each other… when did we first become aware that such a tech­nol­ogy was even remotely pos­si­ble? It’s already hard to remem­ber a world with­out it. Not the com­puter itself… I clearly recall decades ago see­ing “2001, a Space Odyssey” and the creepy melt­down of Hal the com­puter. The Inter­net uses the com­puter, of course, but it’s a com­pletely dif­fer­ent con­cept to con­nect everybody’s com­put­ers. If you are old enough to recall a world with­out the Inter­net, how long ago did you first real­ize that such a thing was not only pos­si­ble, but was actu­ally being built?

    No won­der the world of nations is hav­ing a hard time decid­ing how to orga­nize, gov­ern and share this behe­moth. It’s vir­tu­ally brand new, yet already it lit­er­ally dom­i­nates almost every aspect of our lives.

  5. There is a mind­set which holds that any­thing the US wants to do, it should do, and this is Right and Proper and per­haps ordained by some Higher Power.

    Fur­ther, there is a mind­set which holds that US “national secu­rity con­sid­er­a­tions” should take pri­or­ity over all other con­sid­er­a­tions, includ­ing indi­vid­ual rights. Unless, of course, a pres­i­dent of the Other Party claims some­thing to be a “national secu­rity consideration”.

    I’m not cer­tain these are always pro­duc­tive approaches to the world, or even to “national security.”

  6. Wik­iLeaks has proved this whole House of Cards known as the inter­net er cyber­space er national secu­rity er per­sonal pri­vacy could all tum­ble down soon ie implode …

    Stay tuned!

    There is noth­ing wrong with your tele­vi­sion set. Do not attempt to adjust the pic­ture. We are con­trol­ling trans­mis­sion. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the vol­ume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whis­per. We will con­trol the hor­i­zon­tal. We will con­trol the ver­ti­cal. We can roll the image, make it flut­ter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crys­tal clar­ity. For the next hour, sit qui­etly and we will con­trol all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is noth­ing wrong with your tele­vi­sion set. You are about to par­tic­i­pate in a great adven­ture. You are about to expe­ri­ence the awe and mys­tery which reaches from the inner mind to — The Outer Limits.

    btw, back in the day the tran­sis­tor radio was all the rage lol. If I had a choice of growin’ up in the ‘50s/​60s vs now, hmm not a close call.

    ok, ok, get­ting up from the couch to change the tv chan­nel was such a drag. :)

    I digress

  7. fil­istro,
    The divid­ing line was in the 70’s.  Before that, although com­put­ers that talked and answered ques­tions were a sta­ple of sci­ence fic­tion as far back as the 50’s (and appeared in Star Trek, for exam­ple), it was fic­tion.  After that, it started to become reality.

    The rumors of Arpanet were what clued me in.  By the early 80’s I was on usenet, read­ing net news and bill­boards and down­load­ing soft­ware from ftp sites.  After that, it was a pretty straight­for­ward evo­lu­tion to http://WWW.  Not that it hasn’t been a wild ride, and a bit faster than expected…

  8. @shortchain… By the early 80’s I was on usenet, read­ing net news and bill­boards and down­load­ing soft­ware from ftp sites

    That’s 30 years ago!  I had no idea that sort of thing was avail­able in the early 80’s.

    In the late 80’s I quit my day job to write full-​​time and we bought a used IBM com­puter for me to work on because I’m a ter­ri­ble typ­ist and was using gal­lons of white­out on my ms. pages. That com­puter was as big my desk, came with an inde­ci­pher­able instruc­tion man­ual, had “printer prob­lems” every day, and had so lit­tle mem­ory that I needed to load a cou­ple of floppy disks to run a basic word-​​processing pro­gram. I thought it was absolutely the grteat­est thing since sliced bread. :-)

    And here you were, already tool­ing around on the fore­run­ner of the Inter­net! So when DID per­sonal com­put­ers first start talk­ing to each other? Did you do it all by dial-​​up, or what?  

  9. fil­istro,
    usenet devel­oped out of the unix-​​to-​​unix copy pro­gram (uucp).  But before usenet was actu­ally cre­ated there was a lim­ited elec­tronic mail capa­bil­ity cre­ated using uucp.  uucp was cre­ated in the late 70’s to allow machines not hooked up to the inter­net to com­mu­ni­cate with each other (dial-​​up, of course).

    It was a store-​​and-​​forward design, rather than a client-​​server design like http://WWW.  Before that there were the bill­boards — but I never got into those.

    I was a node on usenet back in the early 80’s, run­ning on an early unix machine.

    It started at 1200 baud, then 2400, then 9600, and finally at about 38400.  As the inter­net took form (in the shape of a high-​​speed net­work of com­put­ers at a bunch of mil­i­tary and edu­ca­tional sites around the coun­try) my local upstream uucp node hooked in to the inter­net and became an ISP.

    Per­sonal com­put­ers migrated out of the uni­ver­si­ties and some com­pa­nies in the early 80’s, but all peo­ple did from home mostly was work on flop­pies they brought home.  Then in the 90’s some ftp sites started to appear, and usenet news started get­ting busy.

  10. fil­istro,

    So when DID per­sonal com­put­ers first start talk­ing to each other? Did you do it all by dial-​​​​up, or what?

    With PCs it was all dialup in the 1980s and for a good chunk of the 1990s. Most peo­ple in the 1980s con­nected to local bul­letin board sys­tems, the bulk of which were run by enthu­si­asts. Around 1990 many of these BBSes hooked together in repli­ca­tion net­works, which was kind of like a poor man’s USEnet. While all of this was going on, peo­ple in acad­e­mia and gov­ern­ment were hooked into the Inter­net, but at that time the Inter­net had restricted access. Also around this time were paid ser­vices (Com­puServe, Prodigy, AOL) that hooked sub­sets of peo­ple to each other via their own pri­vate networks.

    It wasn’t until the Inter­net was per­mit­ted to sup­port com­mer­cial activ­ity (1994) that all of the other sys­tems began to fade away. None of them could com­pete with the Inter­net on con­tent or price.

  11. @filistro

    I wasn’t quite as cutting-​​edge as short­chain, but I had email at my school (stu­dent coded/​developed using UNIX/​Telnet and ELM or PINE, I for­get which) twenty-​​five years ago. My class­mates and I were reg­u­lar “gopher” users and many of us belonged to usenet groups where we would post things to one another. Any­one else remem­ber “talk” and “ytalk” for real-​​time instant mes­sag­ing? My “mclever” mon­icker actu­ally dates all the way back the mid-​​80s, because I didn’t want the nerdy guys on the sci-​​fi usenet to know I was a grl. Most thought it was a play on M.C. Ham­mer, which I didn’t mind.

  12. short­chain… most of what you said there is pretty incom­pre­hen­si­ble to me… but I do have a vivid mem­ory of my own first expe­ri­ence with the Inter­net in 1996. At the time we were liv­ing in a remote lake­side home on Indian land, about as far from an urban set­ting as you could imag­ine, and I had pub­lished sev­eral books by then but never met another liv­ing writer.

    After we got inter­net access, I logged on for the first time in fear and trem­bling, and found a writ­ers site where (with many fits, starts, losses of sig­nal and frus­trat­ing dis­rup­tions) I actu­ally had an online con­ver­sa­tion with a group of other writ­ers. It was truly one of the most excit­ing moments of my life. For days after­wards, I could hardly sleep or eat… I just wanted to be on the Inter­net. In those days it often took an hour or two to log on by dial-​​up, and the house­hold phone was out of com­mis­sion the whole time.

    When I tell my totally plugged-​​in grand­kids about that now, they shake their heads in amazement.

  13. Michael… is it fair to say the Inter­net is pri­mar­ily an Amer­i­can inven­tion? Were these appli­ca­tions you describe being devel­oped con­cur­rently in other coun­tries, or did Amer­ica pretty much  pio­neer the whole con­cept of a net­work of linked computers?

  14. fil­istro,

    is it fair to say the Inter­net is pri­mar­ily an Amer­i­can invention

    Yes. The pro­to­cols were devel­oped by Amer­i­cans, the back­bone was devel­oped in the US, and the fund­ing for all of it came from the US gov­ern­ment and aca­d­e­mic institutions.

    did Amer­ica pretty much pio­neer the whole con­cept of a net­work of linked computers?

    That’s a tougher call. Link­ing com­put­ers together was some­thing that hap­pened in a lot of places. But the Inter­net is more than merely link­ing com­put­ers together. It is link­ing them together in a way that is par­tic­u­larly resis­tant to fail­ure, because of an archi­tec­ture that sup­ports mul­ti­ple redun­dant paths from one point to another, cou­pled with numer­ous “self-​​healing” tech­nolo­gies embed­ded in the pro­to­cols themselves.

    The Inter­net architecture’s great­est weak­ness is plac­ing too much trust in the net­work health pro­to­cols, which allows for peo­ple to inten­tion­ally cre­ate unin­tended net­work behavior…but that’s a topic for another day. :)

  15. @Michael… Yes. The pro­to­cols were devel­oped by Amer­i­cans, the back­bone was
    devel­oped in the US, and the fund­ing for all of it came from the US
    gov­ern­ment and aca­d­e­mic institutions.

    That’s what I thought. So why then do you think you  must “tread lightly in attempt­ing to push our ideals onto
    the Inter­net over the objec­tions of the rest of the world?”

    If you invented it and funded it,  you should retain the right to dic­tate how it func­tions, no? Or are you not advo­cat­ing from a moral imper­a­tive so much as advis­ing a light touch so the con­trol doesn’t shift to the UN and via that route get into the hands of bad actors?

    I’m not a big pro­po­nent of some nat­ural right to rule born of “Amer­i­can excep­tion­al­ism” and all that (every coun­try is excep­tional in its own way)  but I do believe in intel­lec­tual prop­erty rights, and the unas­sail­able right of cre­ators to maint­ian con­trol over their creation.

    Or… like insti­tu­tions that are too big to fail, has the Inter­net become too mas­sive for any­body to control?

  16. I believe my Com­paq used a dial-​​up Hayes 300 baud modem in the 81–82 time­frame and I sub­scribed to Com­puServe and DowJones services.

  17. fil­istro,

    If you invented it and funded it, you should retain the right to dic­tate how it func­tions, no?

    One might think so, but there’s really noth­ing that would pre­vent the UN or any other con­sor­tium of coun­tries from dupli­cat­ing the rel­e­vant parts and basi­cally exclud­ing the US from all of the rest of the world’s Internet.

    Or are you not advo­cat­ing from a moral imper­a­tive so much as advis­ing a light touch so the con­trol doesn’t shift to the UN and via that route get into the hands of bad actors?

    Exactly.

    has the Inter­net become too mas­sive for any­body to control?

    Cer­tainly many facets are too much for any­one to really control.

  18. We should also point out that the WWW was not an exclu­sively Amer­i­can inven­tion.  The pro­to­cols, yes, and the inter­net, yes.  But not the sys­tem that runs on top of the pro­to­cols.  CERN was sem­i­nal in that development.

  19. @filistro

    Your story of how the house­hold phone was out of com­mis­sion for the entire time you were logged in brings back mem­o­ries. Our dor­mi­tory phones came with call-​​waiting enabled, and call-​​waiting inter­rupt­ing a dial-​​up ses­sion was the worst! Because it would take another eter­nity to get logged back in again. Had to remem­ber to pre-​​pend the dial-​​up num­ber with “*70„” to make sure it dis­abled call-​​waiting. And then I’d get com­plaints from my mother because she could never get hold of me!

    :-)

    It’s amaz­ing to think how much technology–especially the pub­lic inter­ac­tion via the Internet–has changed in such a short time. When I was first intro­duced to it, “brows­ing” the net­work required know­ing the path you wanted and using UNIX com­mands to nav­i­gate to the cor­rect direc­tory, and then wait­ing for-​​EVER for the dial-​​up con­nec­tion. The few nerdy kids who were on-​​line spent hours hunched over a clunky PC in a musty com­puter lab, or stuck in their dorm room (or par­ents’ base­ment) if  lucky enough to have a com­puter and modem of their own, suck­ing down Moun­tain Dew in the wee hours of the morn­ing. No pretty graph­i­cal inter­face. Every­thing at the com­mand line. Only the geeks got it.

    Now, it seems like every­one has a mobile phone. Kids can click on a half-​​dozen web­sites while tex­ting and chat­ting at the mall. Got a ques­tion? You can look up the answer in sec­onds. Peo­ple with vir­tu­ally no tech­ni­cal knowl­edge can con­nect, search, and browse lim­it­less infor­ma­tion with the tap of a fin­ger on their lit­tle per­sonal screens. No wires. No command-​​line prompts. No busy sig­nals while wait­ing for dial-​​up to con­nect… Though, some­how, get­ting to the page you want still seems to take for­ever. ;-)

  20. With PCs it was all dialup in the 1980s and for a good chunk of the
    1990s. Most peo­ple in the 1980s con­nected to local bul­letin board
    sys­tems, the bulk of which were run by enthusiasts.

    I recall those days well. I was quite active on bul­letin board sys­tems start­ing in the early 80s. A few usenet news­groups, too (I occa­sion­ally find stuff I wrote way back then — thirty years ago — when I google for it. NOTHING on the net ever dies.)

  21. @DC… NOTHING on the net ever dies.

    You know, that wor­ries me quite a lot. Though (as Michael can attest ;-) ) I am mor­bidly cau­tious about what I per­son­ally put on the Inter­net,  I still hate the idea that it is get­ting all clogged up with bil­lions and tril­lions of bytes of totally use­less junk. (I’m the kind of house­keeper who goes through clos­ets and draw­ers, throw­ing out every­thing we haven’t used in the past year or two. I like sparse­ness.)

    So will it be like this for­ever, with noth­ing ever get­ting removed from the net… or will some­body even­tu­ally invent giant scrub­bers, sort of like elec­tronic algae eaters,  that con­stantly browse the Web and gob­ble up any­thing that looks out­dated or useless?

  22. @filistro

    I don’t expect the Inter­net to ever get cleaned up–not as long as con­tent is main­tained by users.

    What I expect may even­tu­ally hap­pen is some sort of major tech­no­log­i­cal over­haul that ren­ders the cur­rent net­work archi­tec­ture and data stor­age sys­tems obso­lete. Then, when it becomes too cum­ber­some to migrate every­thing for­ward to the new sys­tem, the garbage will get shelved on a legacy net­work that only the geeks and nerds of the future will bother to access.  But it will never really go away.

  23. @Mac… Because it would take another eter­nity to get logged back in again.

    Wasn’t it awful? Espe­cially in the BBS’s. You’d finally get there, start a fas­ci­nat­ing con­ver­sa­tion with some­body and then… ZOT!… one of you would van­ish with­out warn­ing and not reap­pear for an hour or two.

    I used to think it was like climb­ing Mount Ever­est… you finally get all the way to the top and are enjoy­ing the view when you’re sud­denly, uncer­e­mo­ni­ously  tum­bled all the way back down to Base Camp One and have to start that slow, tedious climb all over again. It’s a won­der we per­sisted… but the thrill when you finally got there was worth it, I guess.

  24. @filistro

    It was awful, but in some ways I miss the imme­di­acy of some of the old chat tech­nol­ogy where you could see the other person’s key strokes in real-​​time. If they got going on a really long mono­logue, you could even inter­rupt, just like a real con­ver­sa­tion. :-)   Today’s instant mes­sage and text tech­nolo­gies are clunkier in some ways, but I’ll gladly trade real-​​time key­strokes for the flex­i­bil­ity of anytime/​anywhere instant messages.

  25. mclever — I lack the social skills to say this gen­tly, but … you are young.  If this comes out look­ing funny, tell Michael that the edit box is hosed again.

  26. @shortchain

    I’m not *that* young. I’m older than Mule Rider, for example… 

    It’s just that I’m the old­est of my sib­lings and cousins, and most of my friends IRL are a decade younger than I am, so I end up feel­ing like the par­ent when­ever they need help with some­thing. (Which has been a lot lately…) It’s nice to be the kid once in a while, even if it’s just with a bunch of old geezers on a blog mes­sage­board. ;-)

    Could you imag­ine try­ing to describe today’s tech­nol­ogy and the ease of navigation/​communication to your­self of 30 years ago? I mean, we’re talk­ing about before Apple first pro­to­typed Lisa!

  27. Was a late bloomer to the net, but one of the 1st to use ICQ mes­sag­ing, which was devel­oped by an Israeli Co. mid 90s. Joined an MSN big brother tv real­ity group late 90s. A small group who capped bb stream­ing video. The first big bro­her tv/​internet show was Hol­land 1999. Our small friendly ICQ chat group included one from Hol­land, Argentina, an Israeli and Cana­dian. My Argen­tine buddy, Che­cho, spoke (6) lan­guages. And yes, I felt like the odd man out.

    carry on

    >

    NOTHING on the net ever dies.

    Except the com­ment sec­tion at Nate’s old blog, unless you hap­pened to save some of the pleas­antries! :)

  28. mclever,

    No pretty graph­i­cal inter­face. Every­thing at the com­mand line. Only the geeks got it.

    And woe be the n00bz who dared to ask basic ques­tions because they wouldn’t rtfm.

  29. fil­istro,

    I still hate the idea that it is get­ting all clogged up with bil­lions and tril­lions of bytes of totally use­less junk.

    This is the prob­lem with humans try­ing to relate the vir­tual world to the phys­i­cal. You’re think­ing of this as if it were a closet that fills up.

    It’s as if the clos­ets were dou­bling in capac­ity every two years. What we need, then, is less elec­tronic algae eaters than bet­ter search engine algo­rithms to help us find what we want. After all, noth­ing is truly “out­dated”. The infor­ma­tion may be out of date, but the metain­for­ma­tion (i.e., how did the infor­ma­tion look on that par­tic­u­lar date) most cer­tainly is not.

  30. One prob­lem that might happen —

    Imag­ine, today, clean­ing out an old attic. You hap­pen to find pic­tures of your great-​​grandparents. Maybe hand­writ­ten notes over a hun­dred years old. You clean out that old box, and there your great-​​great-​​grandmother is, star­ing at you from a grainy B&W photograph.

    Your great-​​great-​​grandchildren will find no such thing. Oh, maybe there are a few hard­copy pic­tures of you still lay­ing around. But there are likely to be few, if any, of your kids, and none of your grand­kids. It’s all going dig­i­tal. No more boxes of old lovelet­ters. It’s all email.

    Okay, noth­ing on the net ever dies, and if you put all those old .jpgs and .docs  on the Cloud, they’ll prob­a­bly be around for­ever. But you’re assum­ing the pro­grams to read .jpgs and .docs will also be around forever.

    A lot of the media and a lot of the file for­mats from twenty years ago can’t be read today. I’ve got nov­els I wrote on old word proces­sors in the late ‘70s that I can’t read any­more. They’re on 5-​​inch flop­py­disks — no hard­ware to read them — from a word proces­sor that no longer exists. Inter­net and cloud files will be harder to be inac­ces­si­ble from a hard­ware stand­point, but there is no guar­an­tee that MS Word files or .gif graph­ics or  Excel spread­sheets or smtp emails will still be decipherable.

    And you cer­tainly won’t find them in a box in the attic.

  31. @Michael

    There was a man­ual? I mean, beyond the com­mand line help? ;-) (If you need help in UNIX, ask the “man”…)

    I was def­i­nitely one of the n00bz, so I mostly lurked after my nerdier friends and avoided say­ing any­thing that would reveal my utter ignorance.

  32. @DC

    A lot of the media and a lot of the file for­mats from twenty years ago can’t be read today.

    Good point. It’s a huge assump­tion to think that the videos, music, books, etc. that we down­load onto our Kin­dles and iPhones will even be read­able by the tech­nol­ogy of ten years from now. I’ve got a whole box of PS2 games that can’t be played anymore…

    How­ever, the advan­tage I see with dig­i­tal media, is that it’s usu­ally eas­ier to upgrade/​convert to the new media for­mat. Five years from now, I might be using a totally new gad­get to play my mp3s, but I can prob­a­bly copy them over via an inter­me­di­ary tech­nol­ogy. And, if mp3s no longer work, there are plenty of audio con­ver­sion apps out there that can trans­late them to the new for­mat. Cer­tainly much eas­ier than copy­ing all of my old cas­sette tapes onto CD ever was!

    The trick is to keep up with it, or the files quickly become obso­lete… Hence, no more attic discoveries…

  33. My dad bor­rowed an 8mm movie cam­era in the mid 50s and filmed about 25 min­utes of fam­ily gath­er­ings. I con­verted it to VHS in the early 80s and to DVD in the late 90s. Time … marches on.

    Speak­ing of inter­net pri­vacy re: Pho­to­bucket, Picasa, Face­book, etc. Never mind! lol

  34. I think I had the (rel­a­tively) unique expe­ri­ence of grow­ing up with com­put­ers around in the house, but they were bad com­put­ers — I remem­ber our old Apple II, with its two 3″ floppy disk dri­ves. The ones at school were ancient and worse, with their ridicu­lous 5″ (lit­er­ally) floppy disks and green and black CRT dis­plays. And my par­ents did a sub­stan­tial amount of work on punch-​​card machines in the ‘70s. Kids nowa­days are so spoiled with their touch­screen iStuff and XBoxes with awe­some graph­ics and ter­abyte hard-​​drives. ;)

    Reboot­ing from Win­dows 3.1 into MS-​​DOS so you could run games that would inex­plic­a­bly crash when you tried to open them in Win­dows… those were the days. dir/​p lolz.

  35. @mclever,

    How­ever, the advan­tage I see with dig­i­tal media, is that it’s usu­ally eas­ier to upgrade/​​convert to the new media format.

    Absolutely true. And the stuff that every­one today agrees is impor­tant will undoubt­edly get converted.

    I’m more con­certed with the per­sonal files, your pic­tures of your grand­kids. Two hun­dred years from now, after the file for­mats have changed a few dozen times, will there still be con­vert­ers that can han­dle things that haven’t been looked at in a century?

    We are pro­duc­ing more doc­u­men­ta­tion now than human­ity has ever pro­duced.  Much of the really vital stuff might be unread­able to his­to­ri­ans. You’d think things about gov­ern­ment offi­cials would mater (and yes, that stuff does, and yes, it will undoubt­edly be pre­served and con­verted). But the facts about every­day life — that will prob­a­bly mostly van­ish, as it always has, even though there is an unprece­dented amount of infor­ma­tion about it available.

  36. Whereas I didn’t start using the net until the mid 90s, my 1st expe­ri­ence w/​computers was 1981 going to USN com­puter school ie train­ing on AN/​UYK-​​20, AN/​UYK-​​7 com­put­ers. The dis­play mon­i­tors were Hughes Aircraft.

    My govt. office job early 90s was mem­o­rable ;) for replac­ing the Intel 386sx proces­sor chip pc’s w/​486sx chip pc’s. And of course mov­ing from a b/​w mon­i­tor to color.

  37. Arm­chair,

    The ones at school were ancient and worse, with their ridicu­lous 5″ (lit­er­ally) floppy disks and green and black CRT displays.

    Um…yeah…I remem­ber when those were new. I remem­ber eight–inch flop­pies. And PDP-​​11s with core mem­ory. And the days before Win­dows 1.0. You’re a pup. :P

    And my phone is more pow­er­ful than the desk­top com­puter I had a decade ago. More mem­ory, more stor­age, a faster con­nec­tion to the Inter­net, and a screen with the same res­o­lu­tion (albeit at a much smaller form fac­tor). It’s mind-​​blowing at times to consider.

  38. DC,

    Two hun­dred years from now, after the file for­mats have changed a few dozen times, will there still be con­vert­ers that can han­dle things that haven’t been looked at in a century?

    For the more pop­u­lar for­mats, absolutely. There will be a mar­ket for it. For exam­ple, MP3, JPG, DOC, etc. are so pop­u­lar they will nec­es­sar­ily have a mar­ket. Word­Star, though? AmiPro? Not so much.

  39. Right now, the older for­mats are pretty easy to deci­pher.  “strings — [file­name]” and you get the text.  The for­mat­ting infor­ma­tion is lost, of course, but you get the basic information.

    Newer for­mats, like the later Microsoft ones, with their weird and largely undoc­u­mented inter­nal struc­ture, pro­pri­etary com­pres­sion scheme — those are going to be dif­fi­cult.  Luck­ily, not much of last­ing impor­tance is writ­ten in those formats.

    Remem­ber: save any­thing impor­tant as PDF or some other pub­licly doc­u­mented format!

  40. Well, young folk tp’ing a house means at the very least, they have respect for tra­di­tion, eh.

    Plus if your house was tp’d, it usu­ally meant you were pop­u­lar. :)