Comments on: Living the DREAM http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/ Governing through Reason Wed, 15 May 2013 18:58:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-36011 dcpetterson Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:07:33 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-36011

Thanks for the arti­cle.  I per­son­ally like the pol­icy and would
sup­port it, but I don’t agree with how the Pres­i­dent went about it. 
It should have been done through leg­is­la­tion on Cap­i­tal Hill, but
this is cer­tainly the way Obama prefers to gov­ern.

I didn’t want to bash Republicans in this thread, but I need to answer this. I’ll let you have the last word though in any response you would like to make.

I strongly disagree with you here. The President tired to get the DREAM Act through Congress in the 2010 lame duck session. Republicans blocked it, as they have blocked everything they could. You know this is true, so why do you criticize the President for it?

The President clearly prefers to have Congressional action on such matters, as he did with repeal of DADT — he could have simply declined to enforce it, but instead he waited until he could get Congress to act. If Republicans insist on blocking something that even you agree needs to happen, what should the President do? That’s a serious question, not a rhetorical one. Seriously, if Republicans won’t let Congress act on something that needs to get done, what do you want to happen then?

When Republicans prevent things from passing in Congress, for Republicans to then complain that the President can’t get things through Congress, that’s totally hypocritical, don’t you think? “I broke all your windows! Why can’t you keep intact windows in your house?” Sorry, it just doesn’t fly.

And by the way, you should be proud of Republican obstructionism. Republicans in Congress have made it a point that this is what they’ve intended to do. It is their primary achievement for the last two years. Why aren’t you bragging about it?

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By: GROG http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-36005 GROG Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:43:35 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-36005 DC,

Thanks for the article.  I personally like the policy and would support it, but I don’t agree with how the President went about it.  It should have been done through legislation on Capital Hill, but this is certainly the way Obama prefers to govern. Since he’s not a leader and is unable to get his policies passed in Congress, he prefers to use executive power and then point fingers and wine about wepublican wobstwuctionism.

I see it mostly as a political move.  That kind of thing is going to play to his base and strengthen his hold on the latino vote, temporarily. He never would have done this in a non-election year, in my opinion.

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-35994 dcpetterson Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:56:01 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-35994

Michael, I didn’t say it “would”, but thanks for your take on it.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-35993 Michael Weiss Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:52:51 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-35993 DC,

It might even give Arizona’s elec­toral votes this year to Pres­i­dent Obama.

No, it won’t.

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-35983 dcpetterson Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:47:22 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-35983

Well, Jan is “America’s Sweet­heart” governor …

What a lovely thought :)   This is, after all, intended to be a positive and uplifting thread, since my intent was to write a positive article. Thanks for that ray of sunshine!

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By: shiloh http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-35970 shiloh Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:40:33 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-35970 Well, Jan is “America’s Sweetheart” governor …

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-35966 dcpetterson Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:23:41 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-35966

In related news, Arizona’s governor Jan Brewer yesterday signed an executive order reminding people that Arizona law denies all public benefits — and driver’s licenses — to anyone who is in the country illegally, including young people who receive deferrals under the new federal immigration policy.

Since Arizona law already denies all public benefits (and driver’s licenses) to anyone who is in the country illegally this executive order will have zero practical effect. It appears to be intended only as a way of registering Governor Brewer’s disapproval of the change in federal policy.

This will not help Mitt Romney in November. It certainly will anger Arizona’s immigrant population, as was apparently intended to do. It might even give Arizona’s electoral votes this year to President Obama. Perhaps Ms Brewer is really a Democratic sleeper agent?

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-35949 dcpetterson Thu, 16 Aug 2012 01:46:37 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-35949

Here’s a positive article. Grog commented the other day that too many articles on this site were merely anti-Republican. Here is one of the many good things that have come out of the current Administration.

According to the Wall Street Journal, tens of thousands of young people have been registering already today to utilize this program. It is clearly doing Good Things for people who deserve it.

Perhaps I’ll start a semi-regular feature from now until the election, describing a few of the hundreds of laudable accomplishments of the first Obama Administration, a series of positive articles to contrast with the likely negativity of the campaign. Let’s talk about some of these Good Things, and perhaps give our good friend Grog some good cheer.

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By: Rose http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/15/living-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-35917 Rose Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:28:19 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17541#comment-35917 This is the type of humane act that I wished typified my country.  I am concerned that those signing up are possibly making themselves targets for deportation if the political climate changes.

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