Open Mic August 17

This week, we lost Ron Palillo, who played Arnold Hor­shack on Wel­come Back, Kot­ter, to a heart attack. Mitt Rom­ney insisted that he hasn’t paid less than 13 per­cent on his taxes, though inter­est­ingly he never said fed­eral income taxes. Per­haps he’s using the sort of phras­ing for which Pres­i­dent Bill Clin­ton was famous. We won’t know, because he says he won’t let us see for our­selves. Yet another shoot­ing, this time at a con­ser­v­a­tive think tank in the Dis­trict of Colum­bia. This one appears to have been dri­ven by polit­i­cal oppo­si­tion. But appar­ently it’s still not the time to talk about gun vio­lence in the United States. The XXX Olympics ended on Sun­day, and we finally learned what made this Olympiad pornographic.

And here we are, at the end of the work week, for those Amer­i­cans for­tu­nate enough to have a job. Being Fri­day, it’s your day. What do you want to talk about?

Don’t see an arti­cle on a par­tic­u­lar topic, but want to talk about it some­where? This is Open Mic. Talk about what­ever you want, but stay respectful.

We cre­ate a new Open Mic every week to give a clean slate, but feel free to add to this topic at any time.




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  1. Mitt Rom­ney insisted that he hasn’t paid less than 13 per­cent on his taxes, though inter­est­ingly he never said fed­eral income taxes.

    Rom­ney said he looked at his taxes for the last decade.

    Three things:

    1) Harry Reid never said the ten years Rom­ney paid no taxes occurred in the last decade. Rom­ney left Bain Cap­i­tal some­where around 1999 to 2002. The ten years of no taxes was prob­a­bly before he left Bain.

    2) Romney’s pub­lic state­ments are mostly lies or, at best, half-​​truths. Why should any­one believe this state­ment of his?

    3) If he’s telling the truth, he should release his records and embar­rass Harry Reid, prob­a­bly then ensur­ing Reid would be defeated in his reëlec­tion bid, pos­si­bly even forc­ing him to resign on ethics issues. Either Reid is right (and Rom­ney is lying), or there must be really, really toxic things in Romney’s tax returns to pre­vent him from using them to take Reid down.

    Rom­ney needs to release his tax returns.

  2. I have a few ques­tions about the Elec­toral Col­lege.  When exactly are they picked?  Who actu­ally gets to select them?  Are there any require­ments /​ restric­tions other than they can’t hold a gov­ern­ment job?  Are they held up to any scrutiny?  Are they ever announced to the gen­eral public?

  3. Uncon­ven­tional, this seems like it should give you the answers.

    Since they’re really just place-​​holders, who they are only mat­ters if they fail to hold their places.

  4. So what do the res­i­dent lib­er­als think of the pos­si­bil­ity of Biden get­ting replaced by Hillary? Evi­dently, Hillary was essen­tially offered the job and decided to pass. Do you think she should recon­sider? Biden is off the rails at this point. Doesn’t know what state or cen­tury he’s in half the time and ped­dling racist rhetoric.

  5. rgbact,

    Ain’t hap­pen­ing. Your “evi­dently” needs proof, as you slip into fan­ta­sy­land many times and your word alone is worth about half a Romney. 

    But it should be a right winger’s worst fear. A sit­ting VP run­ning for elec­tion in 2016 in an econ­omy most likely much improved ver­sus today would be even MORE of a dis­as­ter for the GOP.

  6. A sit­ting VP run­ning for elec­tion in 2016 in an econ­omy most likely
    much improved ver­sus today would be even MORE of a dis­as­ter for
    the GOP”

    Yeah, evi­dently thats what Bill Clin­ton was think­ing. But I guess Hillary sees “going down in flames” as being more likely than being that sit­ting VP.

    Any­way, guy with #2 book right now was spread­ing this rumor on CNBC last nite, so I assume it has merit. I didn’t believe it was a poten­tial, thats why I asked.

  7. Hillary was essen­tially offered the job and decided to pass.

    rgbact, verifiable/​certifiable cita­tion please ie a non fixed­noise, etc. source.

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    Look­ing for­ward to the v-​​p debate, Ryan fool­ishly sayin’ he wel­comes the debate re: Medicare yes­ter­day in Ohio.

    Ryan = high expectations

    Biden = low expectations

    = Biden’s already won … you bet’cha! lol and when Biden does actu­ally wipe the floor w/PR’s inad­e­qua­cies, oh my!

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    We” now return you to rgbact makin’ shit up!

  8. Right­ies have been try­ing to start a rumor that Hillary would replace Biden as VP for the last three years. That’s when they haven’t been try­ing to start the rumor that Hillary would run against Obama in the 2012 Demo­c­ra­tic pri­maries, or would run for Pres­i­dent as a third-​​party candidate.

    Right­ies are almost as obses­sive about Hillary as they are about Sarah Palin. I think it’s because they fan­ta­size about the two of them mud wrestling.

    Every­one knows that if any replace­ments occur, it’s going to be Rom­ney run­ning as Ryan’s Vice President.

  9. The source for the rumor: John (he sure can pick his run­ning mate) McCain and Fomer half-​​term Gov. Sarah Palin.

  10. I still can’t fig­ure out the mes­sage Rom­ney wants to send with Ryan as his veep. Sure, he picks the intel­lec­tual force behind the Repub­li­can Party (a giant among men­tal midgets). But then he insists that Ryan’s rec­om­men­da­tions are irrel­e­vant because we’re sup­posed to lis­ten to Romney’s plans instead. So why bother to pick Paul Ryan The Big Thinker, Big Plans Guy if we aren’t sup­posed to take his Big Plans into account?

    It’s more Rom­ney Slip­pery BS. A big part of Romney’s cam­paign is to avoid giv­ing actual, you know, pol­icy posi­tions, with any details that can be actu­ally, you know, con­sid­ered. Rom­ney has rec­og­nized that no one likes him and his wife dresses him funny, so he gets Mr. Kill Medicare to liven up the ticket. But no one likes Mr. Kill Medicare even more than they don’t like Rom­ney, because granny loves her Medicare. So let’s all play Let’s Pre­tend We’re Not Killing Medicare And No I Never Sug­gested We Would, and by the way, don’t look (for God’s sake DON’T!) at Romney’s tax pro­pos­als (or tax returns).

    And notice, we’ve lost Romney’s laser-​​like focus on jobs and the econ­omy because nei­ther Rom­ney nor any other Repub­li­can has ever sug­gested any­thing that would actu­ally cre­ate jobs or improve the economy.

    By the way, Ryan the Fis­cal Con­ser­v­a­tive has a vot­ing record he doesn’t want you to look at.

    Uhhh… should we go back to talk­ing about con­tra­cep­tives again?

  11. WE’D TELL YOU, BUT THEN WE’D LOSE

    Rom­ney Advis­ers: Detail­ing Our Medicare Plan Would Be Suicidal

    To be sure, the debate is likely to be more snip­ing than sub­stance — more attacks on Obama than pars­ing of the options for enti­tle­ment reform. Advis­ers say the cam­paign has no plans to pivot from its pre­vi­ous view that div­ing into details dur­ing a general-​​election race would be sui­ci­dal.”

    The irony of … we’d tell seniors the details, but then we’d have to kill them!

  12. Yeah shiloh. When Rom­ney first named Ryan, all the media went gaa gaa over the thought of hav­ing some actual sub­stance in the pres­i­den­tial dis­cus­sion. But Romney’s advis­ers know the truth of it — dis­cussing sub­stance, talk­ing about the details of Ryan’s and Romney’s plans, would doom them. If the pub­lic knew and under­stood what these hatchet men were plan­ning to do, Repub­li­cans would lose not only the Pres­i­den­tial race, but the House and a half-​​dozen Sen­ate seats. Hon­esty would kill them.

    So they’re left with lying about what the ACA does with Medicare. Once more, Rom­ney proves what is the basis of his campaign.

    Oh, and what do they have for a for­eign pol­icy? Or mil­i­tary under­stand­ings? You know, the things that are the President’s pri­mary respon­si­bil­ity? We know their edu­ca­tion pol­icy — dis­man­tle the Depart­ment of Edu­ca­tion, stop Pell Grants, and let all Amer­i­cans fend for them­selves. That’ll bring up test scores! (‘Course you don’t need much book learnin’ to flip burgers.

    America’s crum­bling infra­struc­ture? The *magic!* of the Free Mar­ket will take care of that! (I have a col­lapsed bridge here in Min­neapo­lis to sell ya…)

    And don’t even men­tion the envi­ron­ment or cli­mate change. Fin­gers in ears la la la! I’m not lis­ten­ing! (There’s an old joke about a Chris­t­ian Sci­en­tist in Hell, and the punch­line is, “This place is not hot, and I am not here.”)

    But at least we’d finally get the National Endow­ment for the Arts de-​​funded. Sure, it’s not much money, but we can’t have artists being well-​​endowed. Pub­lic tele­vi­sion? Can’t have that. There are kids get­ting an edjukashun from it! Stop that and go wash your hands.

    With any luck, things will go even bet­ter in the next pres­i­den­tial elec­tion, I think that’s in 1860.…

  13. It’s a shame that that photo op of Romney’s with the white­board, looks like he in the cor­ner of a prison yard.

    Any­one who’s been through GSP knows that gar­den area adja­cent to the ter­mi­nal is actu­ally one of the pret­tier spots in any airport! 

  14. Paul Ryan blames Obama for GM plant closed in 2008 under Bush

    Paul Ryan blames Obama for GM plant closed in 2008 under Bush

    GM stopped pro­duc­tion at its Janesville, Wis­con­sin pro­duc­tion facil­ity in 2008, when George W. Bush was still pres­i­dent, but accord­ing to Paul Ryan the per­son to blame is Pres­i­dent Obama.

    As you can see in the video at the top of the post, Ryan told a crowd in North Can­ton, Ohio yes­ter­day that the president’s energy poli­cies had led to the factory’s clo­sure in 2009. Ryan deliv­ered the attack in per­sonal terms, say­ing he had high school bud­dies who worked at the fac­tory. “A lot of my high school bud­dies worked at that GM plant,” Ryan said. “One of the rea­sons that plant got shut down is $4 gaso­line. You see, this costs jobs. The president’s ter­ri­ble energy poli­cies are cost­ing us jobs.”

    But despite Ryan’s emo­tional story, GM announced the plant’s clo­sure in June of 2008. In Octo­ber of 2008, the date was accel­er­ated from 2010 to the end of the year. And on Decem­ber 23, 2008 the last SUV rolled off the line.

    Ryan said the fac­tory closed because gas prices had climbed to $4 per gal­lon. Gas prices were that high, but that was in June of 2008, when George W. Bush was the pres­i­dent. Gas prices today are lower than they were then, though they do remain high.

    Ryan also claimed the Pres­i­dent Obama had promised to keep the fac­tory open—but that’s not true accord­ing to The Detroit News, USA Today, and TPM.

    Bot­tom line: With­out the ben­e­fit of facts, Ryan’s story sounded com­pelling, but once you learn what really hap­pened, you quickly real­ize Ryan was telling a tall tale that was just too per­fect to be true. And with that kind of thing start­ing to become a pat­tern with Ryan, it’s no won­der that Mitt Rom­ney likes him so much.

    12:37 PM PT (kos): To add—Ryan is INSISTENT that the plant closed because of bad energy pol­icy. Hence, it was George W. Bush’s energy pol­icy that closed down that plant. So how is Mitt Romney’s energy pol­icy any different?”

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    Indeed, the not ready for prime time boys er ((( liars ))) have had quite a week!

  15. The three mem­bers of Pussy Riot were sen­tenced to two years in prison.

    Not that I don’t sup­port free speech, I wholly sup­port free speech (as long as I agree with what’s said), but I either don’t under­stand or don’t buy the sanc­ti­mo­nious free speech spin of this par­tic­u­lar exam­ple.  If the same thing had hap­pened at a com­pa­ra­ble place of wor­ship in the U.S., does any of you imag­ine that the perps would get off with some­thing like a charge of dis­turb­ing the peace or less?  I think they would have been cru­ci­fied by the reli­gious right at the very least, and prob­a­bly charged with assault, reck­less endan­ger­ment, incit­ing a riot, maybe a hate crime or two.

    Sure, every­one knows what Putin is, but this doesn’t seem like the most hon­est exam­ple of free speech sup­pres­sion in the world, but merely the pret­ti­est exam­ple.  Par­don my cyn­i­cism, but if three fat bas­tards had pulled that stunt, we’d have heard noth­ing of their life sen­tences in a labor camp.

  16. three mem­bers of Pussy Riot …

    Now THAT is some­thing I’d pay money to see. Is that some kind of lewd cat fight?

  17. Max,

    Sorry to dis­ap­point you, but “Pussy Riot” is the name of a Russ­ian punk band that protested Putin’s dic­ta­to­r­ial grip with an impromptu (and quite pro­fane, I’m told) per­for­mance dur­ing an Ortho­dox Mass.
  18. Well, there went THAT men­tal pic­ture! I just know it’s quite a sight when my two cats have a go. But three girls in riot mode was quite an expe­ri­ence that I expected to top the Spice Girls! 

  19. LOL!!!!

    Bill Maher just got in a “Pussy Riot” joke.
    “I’m not sure what it is, but count me in!”

  20. Just have to say .…

    It strikes me as intensely and bizarrely hyp­o­crit­i­cal, for Repub­li­cans to have blocked Obama’s pro­grams (like the Amer­i­can Jobs Act), and then to com­plain that Obama didn’t cre­ate jobs.

    I mean, if they had allowed the pro­grams to be enacted, and they didn’t work, that would be a valid complaint.“Hey, we enacted all this, and noth­ing hap­pened!” But hav­ing pre­vented the pro­grams from being enacted, to then com­plained that they didn’t work, that’s kind of absurd, isn’t it?

    Please, one of our con­ser­v­a­tive com­menters, explain this to me. After hav­ing blocked Obama’s attempts to cre­ate jobs, how is it rea­son­able to com­plain that Obama didn’t cre­ate jobs? I really want to know.

  21. But hav­ing pre­vented the pro­grams from being enacted, to then
    com­plained that they didn’t work, that’s kind of absurd, isn’t it?”

    Not really. Obama got his orig­i­nal Stim­u­lus. Given its lack­lus­ter results, the GOP would have to be com­plete fools to help Obama dou­ble down. It would be like Rea­gan pass­ing his 1981 tax cuts, hav­ing the econ­omy still sput­ter, hav­ing a record deficit as a result, and then Rea­gan ask­ing Dems in Con­gress for more tax cuts. Bot­tom line is Obama got much of his ini­tial agenda.…he has to own its fail­ure and not expect peo­ple to fol­low him out of blind faith.

  22. rgbact,

    It would be like Rea­gan pass­ing his 1981 tax cuts, hav­ing the econ­omy still sput­ter, hav­ing a record deficit as a result, and then Rea­gan ask­ing Dems in Con­gress for more tax cuts.

    Maybe I’m a lit­tle hazy on my his­tory, but didn’t this actu­ally happen?

  23. AW: Yes, that is what happened.

    rgbact: The orig­i­nal stim­u­lus was only a frac­tion of what it should have been. It still stopped the bleed­ing, turned the 800,000 jobs/​month loss into gains, and reversed the Bush reces­sion into eco­nomic gains (for three years now). In spite of being mostly tax cuts instead of stim­u­lus spending.

    And then the Repub­li­cans blocked every­thing else the Pres­i­dent wanted to try.

    Do you want to offer another excuse, or can you explain the Repub­li­can hypocrisy as it was?

  24. By the way, the “stim­u­lus that didn’t work” has so far cre­ated two or three times as many jobs as Bush did in eight years after Bush was given a boom­ing econ­omy. So, rgbact, will you try again to explain why, hav­ing pre­vented the President’s pro­grams from being enacted, to then com­plain that they didn’t work — that is kind of absurd, isn’t it? If not, what am I missing?

  25. When Repub­li­cans block pro­grams, what gives them the balls to com­plain that those pro­grams didn’t work?

    Screw it, they sim­ply lie.


  26. Obama got his orig­i­nal Stimulus.“

    Sorry, two thirds of that was in the form of tax cuts which do lit­tle to grow the econ­omy. That was not ‘his’ stim­u­lus, that was all Con­gress would give. And as has fre­quently been pointed out, the total even includ­ing tax cuts was inad­e­quate. So again, the Repub­li­cans block the pro­gram then call it a failure. 

  27. As Mono said (4) days ago …

    That didn’t take long!

    MUZZLING MR. RYAN

    Ryan Directed To Avoid Real Issues, Stress ‘Love Of The Outdoors’

    ” Mitt Rom­ney wants Risky Pick to play it safe.

    Ryan, the nation’s most con­tro­ver­sial bud­get archi­tect, is often described as the intel­lec­tual leader of the House Repub­li­can cau­cus. But Romney’s pres­i­den­tial cam­paign head­quar­ters in Boston seems, for now, to pre­fer that the 42-​​year-​​old father of three talks about camp­ing and milk­ing cows instead of the fis­cal pro­pos­als that made him a con­ser­v­a­tive hero.”

    :shock:

    Again, the most impor­tant deci­sion a wannabe pres has to make mit­tens botched! btw, some­times HP’s ad nau­seam hyper­bolic head­lines just make you smile.

  28. Short­chain.  Thank you.  That is the web­site I looked over and caused the ques­tions in the first place.

  29. For the first time since the begin­ning of the year, the “Repub­li­cans gain seats in the House” con­tract is worth less than the “Democ­rats gain con­trol of the House” con­tract on Iowa Elec­tronic Markets.

    http://​iemweb​.biz​.uiowa​.edu/​g​r​a​p​h​s​/​g​r​a​p​h​_​H​o​u​s​e​1​2​.​cfm

    Right now, it’s 64% for Repub­li­cans to hold, 18% for Democ­rats to take over, and 17% for Repub­li­cans to gain seats.

    On Intrade, it’s about the same (slightly dif­fer­ent con­tract): 85% for Repub­li­cans to hold or gain, 20% for Democ­rats to take over.

    Both mar­kets have moved con­sid­er­ably toward the Demo­c­ra­tic side since Rep. Ryan was announced as the poten­tial VP candidate.

  30. Re: turdblossom’s er con­ser­v­a­tive bil­lion­aire over­lords ad nau­seam neg­a­tive adver­tis­ing and the Rep con­ven­tion rat­ings: Would be very sur­prised if any­one watches other than the con choir ie Obama haters!

    The tv rat­ing com­pe­ti­tion increas­ing every (4) years notwith­stand­ing and most folk already know­ing who they’re vot­ing for aside, indeed what’s the incen­tive to watch.

    So I want to give McCain some dap lol for pickin’ mama griz­zly as at least it gave view­ers a rea­son to watch.

    Yea, polit­i­cal con­ven­tions may be going the route of the Miss Amer­ica Pageant … nobody cares! To break it down to basics ;) con­ven­tions are real­ity tv where every­one knows the out­come. :zzzz: