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		<title>By: Logarchism &#187; Looking Forward by Looking Back</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-49477</link>
		<dc:creator>Logarchism &#187; Looking Forward by Looking Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on the first law of his first term, the Lilly Led­bet­ter Fair Pay Restora­tion Act. I’ve writ­ten about this before. This vital piece of leg­is­la­tion closes a loop­hole that allowed cor­po­ra­tions [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] on the first law of his first term, the Lilly Led­bet­ter Fair Pay Restora­tion Act. I’ve writ­ten about this before. This vital piece of leg­is­la­tion closes a loop­hole that allowed cor­po­ra­tions […]</p>
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		<title>By: mostlyilurk</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-36941</link>
		<dc:creator>mostlyilurk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max,&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;Typically I don&#039;t see many mistakes by you that require correction. &#160;You do a pretty good job playing a lawyer :) &#160;And you&#039;re right, the documentary I was referring to was Hot Coffee. &#160;&#160;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,
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<p>Typically I don’t see many mistakes by you that require correction.  You do a pretty good job playing a lawyer <img src='http://www.logarchism.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   And you’re right, the documentary I was referring to was Hot Coffee.   </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-36938</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monotreme,
&lt;blockquote&gt;As it hap­pens, I got called for jury duty last week.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I went through it a year ago. I was the foreman. Two weeks of a trial on real estate fraud. Plaintiffs didn&#039;t do due diligence. They got nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monotreme,</p>
<blockquote><p>As it hap­pens, I got called for jury duty last week.</p></blockquote>
<p>I went through it a year ago. I was the foreman. Two weeks of a trial on real estate fraud. Plaintiffs didn’t do due diligence. They got nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-36934</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[parksie,
&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s the way it should work — not run off to a shys­ter lawyer and hope to win a wind­fall&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, if money was withheld from them, they are entitled by tort law to be made whole. Part of being made whole is receiving what they should have gotten in the first place. Punitive damages are something else entirely (and not part of what I&#039;d typically consider), but the missing wages are hardly a &quot;windfall&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parksie,</p>
<blockquote><p>That’s the way it should work — not run off to a shys­ter lawyer and hope to win a wind­fall</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, if money was withheld from them, they are entitled by tort law to be made whole. Part of being made whole is receiving what they should have gotten in the first place. Punitive damages are something else entirely (and not part of what I’d typically consider), but the missing wages are hardly a “windfall”.</p>
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		<title>By: dcpetterson</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-36931</link>
		<dc:creator>dcpetterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;parksie, I provided my reasons for supporting the Lily Ledbetter Act. Have you a response?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to me that you oppose the Act because you think it&#039;s okay for corporations to ignore the law, ignore the Constitution, and harm anyone they want to harm, provided you think you&#039;re getting a fraction of a penny discount on your purchases. Correct?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
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<p>parksie, I provided my reasons for supporting the Lily Ledbetter Act. Have you a response?</p>
<p>It seems to me that you oppose the Act because you think it’s okay for corporations to ignore the law, ignore the Constitution, and harm anyone they want to harm, provided you think you’re getting a fraction of a penny discount on your purchases. Correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Monotreme</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-36930</link>
		<dc:creator>Monotreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;parksie,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You&#039;ve hit a nerve. As it happens, I got called for jury duty last week.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I went on Monday morning. We filled out questionnaires. I got picked.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The case went on for four days, all week except Tuesday the judge did other things. It was a slip-and-fall case. After deliberation, we eight jury members found the store not negligent. The plaintiff got nothing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The system worked as it should.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s actually the system enshrined in our &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bill of Rights as the Seventh Amendment&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why do you hate the Bill of Rights so? It&#039;s positively un-American.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parksie,</p>
<p>You’ve hit a nerve. As it happens, I got called for jury duty last week.</p>
<p>I went on Monday morning. We filled out questionnaires. I got picked.</p>
<p>The case went on for four days, all week except Tuesday the judge did other things. It was a slip-and-fall case. After deliberation, we eight jury members found the store not negligent. The plaintiff got nothing.</p>
<p>The system worked as it should.</p>
<p>It’s actually the system enshrined in our <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution" rel="nofollow">Bill of Rights as the Seventh Amendment</a>.</p>
<p>Why do you hate the Bill of Rights so? It’s positively un-American.</p>
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		<title>By: shortchain</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-36929</link>
		<dc:creator>shortchain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;parksie,&lt;br&gt;a) the company probably got new people for less money than the old, if they got people out of college.&lt;br&gt;b) the money it may have cost them was more than made up for by the money they saved over the years (and likely decades) that they practiced their discriminatory practices.  What do you think &quot;human resource departments&quot; are for, other than making sure they get the best employees for the cheapest price?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I notice you still have shown no instances that back up your claim.&#160;&#160; It&#039;s quite interesting that, when employees sue to overturn an injustice, they&#039;re scum -- but, when they quit and take a job elsewhere, they&#039;re somehow so valuable that their very absence &quot;hurts the company&quot;.&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
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<p>parksie,<br />a) the company probably got new people for less money than the old, if they got people out of college.<br />b) the money it may have cost them was more than made up for by the money they saved over the years (and likely decades) that they practiced their discriminatory practices.  What do you think “human resource departments” are for, other than making sure they get the best employees for the cheapest price?</p>
<p>I notice you still have shown no instances that back up your claim.   It’s quite interesting that, when employees sue to overturn an injustice, they’re scum — but, when they quit and take a job elsewhere, they’re somehow so valuable that their very absence “hurts the company”.</p>
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		<title>By: parksie555</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/08/19/obama-has-led-better/comment-page-1/#comment-36927</link>
		<dc:creator>parksie555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;P&gt;mclever - I congratulate your friend for having the gumption to do the right thing and walk away from a job where she was unsatisfied with her salary.&#160; And the company did suffer - they had to replace two (apparently competent) employees with the cost and disruption that accompany new hires.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;That&#039;s the way it should work - not run off to a shyster lawyer and hope to win a windfall from a clueless jury.&lt;/P&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mclever — I congratulate your friend for having the gumption to do the right thing and walk away from a job where she was unsatisfied with her salary.  And the company did suffer — they had to replace two (apparently competent) employees with the cost and disruption that accompany new hires.</p>
<p>That’s the way it should work — not run off to a shyster lawyer and hope to win a windfall from a clueless jury.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I ot a strong feeling that parksie, and other like him, would not be so loud about civil suits if it was THEIR spouse or parent.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;If, say, a doctor left a sponge inside their relative, there was a serious, life-threatening infection that almost, or maybe even killed the person. They had to pay a large bill because of it and when they tried to get their money back, the doctor and hospital laughed at them. Then, should they have gone to court to recover, during discovery, found that that doctor and hospital had done the same thing half a dozen times, without changing practices, even things as a checklist of all items and numbers used during the procedure! And had settled with no publicity so the public wouldn&#039;t know. Happens all the time!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Knowing that the only way to get the attention of the doctor and hospital would be a punitive damage award that really hit &#039;em in their pocketbooks, so to force a change that would save the next family from the pain and suffering they went through. Because NO amount of money will bring back that relative, or actually compensate for the real trial they had to go through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ot a strong feeling that parksie, and other like him, would not be so loud about civil suits if it was THEIR spouse or parent.
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<p>If, say, a doctor left a sponge inside their relative, there was a serious, life-threatening infection that almost, or maybe even killed the person. They had to pay a large bill because of it and when they tried to get their money back, the doctor and hospital laughed at them. Then, should they have gone to court to recover, during discovery, found that that doctor and hospital had done the same thing half a dozen times, without changing practices, even things as a checklist of all items and numbers used during the procedure! And had settled with no publicity so the public wouldn’t know. Happens all the time!</p>
<p>Knowing that the only way to get the attention of the doctor and hospital would be a punitive damage award that really hit ‘em in their pocketbooks, so to force a change that would save the next family from the pain and suffering they went through. Because NO amount of money will bring back that relative, or actually compensate for the real trial they had to go through.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mil,&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please feel free to correct any legal mistakes I have made. (I&#039;m not a lawyer, but I played one in court. And won. And on appeal. And was upheld.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bet it was called &quot;Hot Coffee&quot;. About a year ago. I saw that in my research, but have not seen the movie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mil,
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<p>Please feel free to correct any legal mistakes I have made. (I’m not a lawyer, but I played one in court. And won. And on appeal. And was upheld.)</p>
<p>Bet it was called “Hot Coffee”. About a year ago. I saw that in my research, but have not seen the movie.</p>
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