Comments on: Democratic Convention: Day 1 http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/ Governing through Reason Tue, 14 May 2013 23:25:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Mule Rider http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39307 Mule Rider Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:18:47 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39307 “The point is that the beach house and foreign accounts are indicative of the degree of wealth one needs to have to benefit from his proposed tax policy. I don’t doubt that there are some people who will respond to it from a perspective of envy, but it’s really hard to explain the motive without such illustrations.”

They can illustrate it however they like, but it doesn’t play well with people like myself.  It comes off as unserious, partisan gotcha nonsense trying to pit one group against another.  Maybe that plays well to the base, but that’s about it.  I haven’t gotten the impression that anybody outside of the core left-wing (who you don’t need to win over anyway) was all that impressed. 

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39304 dcpetterson Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:00:54 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39304 Rose,

Romney is himself a bishop (at least — he may hold higher position). I don’t know if that modifies his annual requirements.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39303 Michael Weiss Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:54:59 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39303 Mule,
The point is that the beach house and foreign accounts are indicative of the degree of wealth one needs to have to benefit from his proposed tax policy. I don’t doubt that there are some people who will respond to it from a perspective of envy, but it’s really hard to explain the motive without such illustrations.

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By: Mule Rider http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39300 Mule Rider Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:36:46 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39300 “Goes to motive, your honor. The point here is that Romney has a vested interest in supporting tax policy that benefits the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.”

I didn’t say they weren’t indicative of a conflict of interest and examples that the man is exorbitantly wealthy and may be better served doing something else besides being President; all I’m saying is that going off on a tangent on specific things like beach houses and Swiss accounts at the expense of having a debate over what a sound, fiscally-responsible tax code undermines the discussion.…and, in a subtle way, promotes the politics of envy.  Look, we know Romney is absurdly rich and all that entails.  Rather than make light of it, just put forth your plan and why it would be good for the country and shut up about the trivial details. 

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By: Mule Rider http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39298 Mule Rider Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:32:08 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39298 “I’d like religion to be kept out of politics as well, but I don’t see it happening. Right now there’s a right-wing storm going on because there is no mention of “God” in the Democratic platform.”

I saw that.…and the comments from Paul Ryan.  Very self-serving, holier-than-thou, and unproductive.  That’s precisely the pompous “look at me” attitude that Christ preached against.  He told the Phariseesnot to go out and “pray loudly in the streets” and put on such a ridiculous display of their faith.  Congressman Ryan and others would do well to take a second look at that passage. 

“And when was the last time an avowed atheist was elected to any office higher than dog-catcher?”

Pete Stark?  Although outside of him, it’s admittedly thin. 

“Since religion cannot be kept out of politics, perhaps the best we can hope for is to keep politics out of religion — and even that seems a stretch, these days.”

 

Whatever works, because mixing the two does both a disservice. 

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By: shortchain http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39295 shortchain Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:24:29 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39295 Mule,
I’d like religion to be kept out of politics as well, but I don’t see it happening. Right now there’s a right-wing storm going on because there is no mention of “God” in the Democratic platform.

And when was the last time an avowed atheist was elected to any office higher than dog-catcher?

Since religion cannot be kept out of politics, perhaps the best we can hope for is to keep politics out of religion — and even that seems a stretch, these days.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39294 Michael Weiss Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:19:59 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39294 Mule,

Going off on semi-neurotic rants about “beach houses in the Caymans” and “bank accounts in Switzerland” and make specific references to individual wealth metrics. That’s not necessary to debate tax policy.

Goes to motive, your honor. The point here is that Romney has a vested interest in supporting tax policy that benefits the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. By itself, it’s not enough to “convict”, but when coupled with the evidence that he supports a tax policy that would reduce his tax rate to under one percent, and claims that the tax policy change would be revenue-neutral…it paints a picture.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39292 Michael Weiss Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:08:40 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39292 Mule,

The certainty is that it’s always spun to look favorable for liberals and unfavorable for conservatives.

I believe there are some who would do that. I’m not among them.

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By: Mule Rider http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39289 Mule Rider Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:05:30 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39289 “Of course, when Mule requested ANYBODY to chime in, he didn’t mean me, but, what his argument boils down to is that only religious people should be allowed to point out that some religious person is not obeying the tenets of their own religion. People without the particular religion of the person in question are forbidden from pointing out hypocrisy, for example, or inconsistency (choosing to notice Deuteronomy, but ignoring the New Testament would be a case in point).”

No, that’s not really what my argument is.  I actually fall mostly in line with the progressive stance on this; that being that religion — and religious talk — should be kept out of politics, regardless of what you believe. 

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By: Rose http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/04/democratic-convention-day-1/comment-page-2/#comment-39288 Rose Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:53:25 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=18182#comment-39288 Coming late to the discussion, here is a bit of Mormon info.  Every active Mormon meets with their Bishop annualy.  This interview determnes whether their Temple Recommend card is renewed for the next year.  Without this card, they cannot enter a temple under any circumstances, and I suspect they would not be supported by the church.  Among the questions asked is “Have you been honest in your dealings with your fellow men?”  I can think of several examples (selling a doped-up horse, “stretching” the truth about business dealings, etc), where I can’t see how Mitt could have said yes.  

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