Open Mic September 14

Curiosity curiously looking at itself
What a week…in like a lamb, out like a lion. After the effects of the Democratic National Convention Bump became apparent, the Middle East began to explode over a Coptic Christian-produced anti-Muslim film, whose trailers were posted on YouTube. And, proving that some conspiracy theories never die, Kansas is considering removing President Obama from the ballot in November, as they aren’t convinced he’s a natural-born citizen. Meanwhile, concerns rose over the possibility that we may be contaminating Mars with bacteria from Earth.
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Romney wanted this campaign to be all about the economy. Events in Libya and Egypt and Yemen have shown that the President needs to be able to handle more than the economy. Romney has shown that he cannot handle foreign affairs at all. He would make a terrible commander-in-chief and a dangerous steward of American foreign policy.
So his response is to attempt to turn the conversation back to the economy. At a campaign stop in Fairfax, VA yesterday, he complained about the growing income gap between the rich and the poor. In other words, he is attempting to paint himself as a 99-percenter. His previous campaign to be a brilliant supply-sider has also miserably failed, and he now wants to pretend to be a Democrat.
The man is not only completely without scruples or any central convictions, he is also utterly inept and incompetent.
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Meanwhile, concerns rose over the possibility that we may be contaminating Mars with bacteria from Earth.
Maybe we are actually seeding Mars with life. I like the idea that maybe, several billions of years hence when Earth is a dried-out husk and Mars is a thriving, richly diverse biosphere, there will be fierce Martian arguments over what should be taught in schools. Did life sprang spontaneously from chemical interactions within the primordial soup on ancient Mars… or did it arrive from the heavens in the claws of a winged creature sent by the Gods?
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#5 written by mclever 8 months ago
@DC
I was struck by the thought that McCain and Romney–the two most recent Republican nominees–are contrapositives of one another with regard to their skills and expertise, accepting that both are conservatives with whom we might disagree on policy positions.
McCain was utterly hopeless on the economy, but he likely would have managed most foreign issues with diplomacy and tact, though perhaps more hawkishly than Democrats might want. He at least understands the principle that politics ends at the border, and he would never needlessly endanger the lives of Americans abroad or discount the service of soldiers and diplomats, given his own experiences. His responses to those who question Obama’s birth or religion or those who attack Hillary’s aide, Huma Abedin, show that he’s a statesman at heart, and he knows enough to not piss off countries like Russia or China for no good reason, too.
In contrast, Romney may know enough about the domestic economy to help enrich his friends and he may appear competent on economic questions, which he can discuss with apparent ease, though we might disagree with his policies or conclusions. However, as this past summer’s events have shown, he’s utterly hopeless at diplomacy and foreign relations. He’ll piss off our friends, nevermind the damage he might do with those who aren’t so friendly towards us. And filistro’s quote above shows how much the foreign service officers are feeling the love from Romney right now.Do any of you honestly think Romney could’ve handled a call with the new Egyptian President (and known member of the Muslim Brotherhood) to tactfully point out the damage that their (lack of ) response to the attack on the Embassy has done to our relationship? I fear that a Romney call would have been like gasoline on a lit fire, possibly even damaging the 30+ years of peace with Israel, while Obama seemed more interested in helping President Morsi find some sand to quench the flames. McCain’s style would be different from Obama’s, but I could imagine him successfully navigating these sorts of troubles, too. Romney, not so much.
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#6 written by mclever 8 months ago
@filistro
Did life sprang spontaneously from chemical interactions within
the primordial soup on ancient Mars… or did it arrive from the
heavens in the claws of a winged creature sent by the Gods?Have I told you recently how much I love the way you look at the world?
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#7 written by WA7th 8 months ago
fili: Maybe we are actually seeding Mars with life
In other developments, the face on Mars has broken out in herpes sores.
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@mclever,
That’s a fascinating observation. McCain was all about the military and foreign policy, without much in the way of economics background. Romney is all about economics, with nothing in foreign policy or military. Bush also presented himself as a businessman. It would seem recent nominees are about the flashy and fad-like needs of the moment, not so much about the meaning of “President”.
It didn’t used to be this way. Before Bush, Dole and Bush Sr and even Reagan ran on more general capabilities. Before that, Ford and Nixon and Goldwater were all primarily politicians. You have to go back to Eisenhower to get another specialist (military again). Before that, Dewey ran as a bsuinessman (and lost).
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#9 written by Rose 8 months ago
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#12 written by shortchain 8 months ago
While protagonists for “Voter ID” push ahead in their misguided effort to pass laws which won’t solve a problem which doesn’t exist, a commission finds that there is, in fact, a loss of confidence in the validity of elections in the USA.
And it won’t be fixed by passing idiotic “voter ID” laws, either.
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#13 written by shortchain 8 months ago
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#14 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
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@cc… After reading your post I spent some time pondering what cartoon pair Obama and Biden would be.
I’ve finally opted for Pink Panther and Inspector Clouseau.
The Pink Panther… cunning, graceful, suave, cool, cynical and oddly compelling.
Inspector Clouseau… inartful but earnest, described in his press clippings as “a bumbler, but with an uncanny instinct for survival.”
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#18 written by Mainer 8 months ago
CC with the R&R twins I could go with maybe mouse and squirrley but not moose and squirrel.
Mitt having not one iota of understanding of foreign policy…check. Mitt having an understanding of economics…well if it is limited to enriching himself at the expense of every one else…check.
And Mitt is seeding the clouds for the debates claiming that the liar in the room will be the president and not him. Gee the fact check numbers don’t seem to support that but…and they are now trippling down on this is all the presidents fault. Lets see John Bolton for Sec of State and see how many stay on. I have several career diplomat friends that have already stated if Mitts in they are out. That should work well.
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#19 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
In his tax plan today, I think, the Rominoid just identified the ‘middle income’ individuals who are targets for his love and have a place in his lifeboat at those making $100,000 to $250,000 a year. In truth the middle income range in the US is ~$30,000-$100,000 per year. He just quoted the top 1–2.5%. How do you get to be Freudian slip prone with numbers? Nobody is this inept, he must be a clever Obama plant who is part of a conspiracy to plunge the US elections into a landslide.
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#20 written by Mainer 8 months ago
CC the man can not even get his head around the fact that so many of us are in that 30K zone after working for years. For him life only counts if you stack up big bucks. Spend a life teaching or in the military and you will never be rich but some one needs to do it and Mitt and his sure as hell didn’t and will not.
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#23 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
Michael, Mainer..
perhaps you are right about Romney’s studied ignorance. But isn’t purposeful ignorance in an otherwise intelligent man, giving Romney the benefit of the doubt, the equivalent of stupidity? Isn’t it your responsibility as a human to discover the reality of the world around you, and to the best of ones ability, not succumb to ideology and ignorance while you inhabit it? What dumbfounds me about Romney is that such a wealthy, privileged man is so abysmally ignorant. One can see at a glance why royalty is a prescription for disaster in a complex world, given this man’s shortcomings and intellectual laziness.
In any case, here is a list of Romney’s foreign policy advisers. I’ve really come to think of Romney as that character in Men in Black who is in actuality a simulacra operated by a tiny alien in his head.
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Wow, Mitt is dropping like a rock at Intrade.
And Obama is skyrocketing.
Between the economy continuing to not tank, and Willard showing he is completely inept at foreign affairs, and the President showing he is steady and calm and amazingly competent, I think the Intraders are seeing the almost inevitable trend of things.
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#25 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
You know, I have an almost visceral distaste for injecting religion into any discussion of politics, given the instinctive response it engenders in some. But given this Bacile morons revelation as a Coptic Christian, trying to hide his film as a Jewish enterprise with an Evangelical as his front man, I wondered if religious overtones don’t permeate this whole event to the point that by ignoring them, you debase any discussion. In particular, I’m wondering how Mr. Romney’s Mormon faith informs his opinions and perspective on Islam. What prompted me to raise the question was a quoted statistic I saw that in the early 1980’s there were less than 100 Mormons in Egypt, a country of 68 million people and that the Saudi Secret Police had arrested and deported the Mormon Stake Leader from Saudi Arabia in the mid 1980’s. I won’t testify to the truth of either fact, but it did give me cause to wonder if there was in underlying religious antipathy between Mormons and Islam. I’ve never heard about it, if there is, but more than one Christian missionary has been murdered in the Middle East for a little too much Gospel spreading. Can the mine fields be avoided in such a discussion, or is it better avoided?
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#26 written by WA7th 8 months ago
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#27 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
OMG, to coin a phrase,
the Court just rule Walker’s Union Busting Law UNCOSTITUTIONAL!
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#28 written by Rose 8 months ago
Is it at all possible for Romney to open his mouth without sabotaging himself? At this rate, the debates will be a total waste of Obama’s time.
Even if the Independents or non-Teaper Republicans don’t rush to vote for Obama, I can see them deciding to just stay home rather than voting for Romney.
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In truth the middle income range in the US is $30,000-$100,000 per year.
Hey, give the guy a break. Really, how can you expect someone
without any experience to wrap his mind around the meaning of such
infinitesimally small numbers?Absolutely. It takes a professional mathematician to understand such tiny quantities.
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#30 written by shortchain 8 months ago
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#31 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
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#32 written by shortchain 8 months ago
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#33 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
shortchain,
I’ll take your word for it. I certainly stepped over enough of them living in their offices and sleeping in broom closets when I was in graduate school. The only group/crew/gaggle I ever had any interaction with was this strange crew in Santa Fe led by this non linear mechanics mapping/graph theory fellow named Kaufman, I think. I never met him, but they were all into reforming the way traders modeled Wall Street. They were just positive they had the golden goose for squeezing. From what you say, something else came out of those geese.
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So yesterday cc alluded to a question that I would really like to see addressed here by the community members.
I know “freedom of speech” is a sacred article of faith for Americans of all political stripes… but what do you all think about films and other types of media that blaspheme religions?
Considering a billion people are followers of Islam and at least several million of them are raging fanatics ready to turn the world into a fiery hell at the slightest offense, causing widespread death and destruction, why is this type of blasphemy not the same thing as yelling “FIRE!” in a crowded theater.. and why then should it not be regulated?
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#36 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
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filistro,
Considering a billion people are followers of Islam and at least several million of them are raging fanatics ready to turn the world into a fiery hell at the slightest offense, causing widespread death and destruction, why is this type of blasphemy not the same thing as yelling “FIRE!” in a crowded theater.. and why then should it not be regulated?
My über short and pithy answer is: for the same reasons we shouldn’t implement sharia as the law of the land in the US.
Slightly longer answer: blaspheming, even if it results in a riot, is protected…unless it can be demonstrated that your blasphemy was intended to cause a riot.
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#40 written by WA7th 8 months ago
complex and uncertain discussion
But it’s an easy fight to have because we could fight indefinitely about how to define the argument and maybe even lose an eye or two before we can even agree what the hell we’re even talking about, nevermind getting around to addressing what the other side said. I’ll go make popcorn.
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Terry Jones has been told by no less than David Petraeus and General Dempsey that his “free speech” antics will cause riots and result in deaths. Yet he does them anyway.
Clearly his intent is to cause riot, mayhem and death. This should be illegal behavior, falling somewhere between public mischief and manslaughter.
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#44 written by WA7th 8 months ago
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#45 written by shortchain 8 months ago
@filistro,
Yes, bad things can happen when you can’t control what people say to each other. And bad things happen when you can. Sometimes there is no perfect solution to a problem, just a workable one.I’m not willing to give up our collective rights to speak freely even to prevent a tiny percentage of a billion Muslims from acting like barbarians. Go down that road, and pretty soon we’ll have to give up discussing any progressive policies, because a tiny percentage of the American people are violently opposed to even talking about gay marriage, contraception, equal opportunity, etc.
Some things cannot be cured, cannot be fixed, without incurring other, and worse, problems. (This is the same reason we should all be opposed to “Voter ID” laws, BTW.)
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#48 written by WA7th 8 months ago
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#49 written by shortchain 8 months ago
@filistro,
The chances are overwhelming that there is, in fact, a gullible, simple-minded brute living in your neighborhood.If you have knowledge beforehand that this individual will commit a horrible crime, you are an accessory before the fact. Just because you say something to this individual that infuriates him does not make you an accessory, however. You have to know exactly what and when the crime will be performed in order to be culpable.
Neither Jones nor the idiot who made the video are, therefore, criminally liable.
If we all have to watch out what we say because some nitwit, somewhere, will be enraged thereby, we all lose the ability to speak our minds.
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#50 written by WA7th 8 months ago
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#51 written by channelclemente 8 months ago
Let’s suppose you posed the question about say Terry Jones a different way. Suppose the distraught comrade or relative of a soldier/diplomat killed in the turmoil cased by burning a Koran shot and killed Jones. Knowing the facts, would you convict the killer, and if so of what. I did not say ‘was he guilty’, but if you were on that jury, would you convict the grieving accused.
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#52 written by Armchair Warlord 8 months ago
If I may draw your attention to a recent flap that went largely unnoticed outside of certain circles,
http://soldiersystems.net/tag/recoil/
Scroll down for the whole sordid story. Long story short — editor of a firearms magazine makes a comment that a weapon which is already illegal in the United States should remain so, generating a firestorm of hatred for him and his magazine, causing most of his advertisers to pull out and resulting in his being forced out as editor. This entire thing reminds me of the firearms industry executive who was fired in 2008 for donating to the Obama campaign, or the flap with Jim Zumbo before that.
The thuggish behavior of the “black rifles” community in support of their 2nd Amendment rights is probably the greatest single threat to those rights that exists. As much as I love guns, I’d also love to see some of those people cry.
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#53 written by Mainer 8 months ago
Armchair I have said for some time that I really feel badly for many of my friends that have spent years working to make the shooting sports fun, safe, and better understood. It just seems like the lunatic fringe is out to tear down every thing and to hell with others hard work and dedication, all the while constantly bitching, pissing and moaning about their loss of liberties and freedoms.
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#54 written by WA7th 8 months ago
As far as taking responsibility for the consequences of free speech to its extreme, I wonder what are the limits to reasonability of the range of civil claims that could theoretically be made aginst the guy who made the film, from the actors he lied to, his neighbors who suddenly have to deal with the press descending upon their neighborhood with bright lights blazing 24/7, all the way down to the people who have to cancel their foreign travel plans because of the protests.
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#55 written by mclever 8 months ago
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#56 written by Mainer 8 months ago
WA, nice idea. Take every one identified as a part of this and sue them into oblivion. I’m still betting there is some hinky money movement in all of this, with that there might actually be some thing illegal to work with.
Hmmm interesting idea to hit football games. I’m sure the Romney campaign will jump on that as well. It will give them a chance to froth at the mouth about the Fed. I bet there are a fair number of unempoyed or underwater folks watching. Some of them might like the idea that some is actually being done that might help down the road.
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Do tax cuts lead to economic growth? Here is a chart that should settle the question. What is particularly amazing is that not only do tax cuts demonstrably lead to economic collapse, but tax increases clearly lead to growth.
I expect our conservative friends to ignore the chart. You can find the full article here.

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DC,
What is particularly amazing is that not only do tax cuts demonstrably lead to economic collapse, but tax increases clearly lead to growth.
Correlation is not causation. That argument is post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Not to say that tax cuts lead to growth, either, but I wouldn’t say tax cuts demonstrably lead to economic collapse. We had many tax cuts before Reagan that did not lead to collapse.
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#60 written by mclever 8 months ago
@Mainer
More football advertising today. This time, Obama’s hitting the broadcast networks. I’ve seen the Clinton “choice” ad and the Obama “Forward” ad both on CBS. Gives me hope that Iowa might shift from toss-up to leaning Dem whenever someone gets around to polling us again. I know that there are polls being done–I’ve responded to three phone polls just this past week–but apparently not any publicly published ones.
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