Comments on: Ballot Watch: Mountain States http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/ Governing through Reason Sat, 18 May 2013 03:01:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Logarchism » 113 th Congress: Veer Slightly Left; It’s the Last One on the Right http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-46037 Logarchism » 113 th Congress: Veer Slightly Left; It’s the Last One on the Right Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:01:37 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-46037 […] Cal­i­for­nia 26 Cal­i­for­nia 36 Cal­i­for­nia 41 Cal­i­for­nia 47 Cal­i­for­nia 52 Col­orado 3 Col­orado 6 Col­orado 7 Con­necti­cut 5 Florida 2 Florida 10 Florida 16 Florida 18 Florida 22 […]

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By: Monotreme http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-42141 Monotreme Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:20:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-42141 New Deseret News/KSL poll out, shows Saratoga Springs Mayor Mia Love leading Rep. Jim Mathesen (D-Salt Lake City) by 49 to 43. I find this plausible. Mathesen is in trouble.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41712 Michael Weiss Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:59:13 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41712 Monotreme,

I think the rea­son recov­er­ies are dif­fer­ent now has to do with the shift from a man­u­fac­tur­ing econ­omy to a service-​​based economy.

Yes, but why have we made that shift?

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41709 Michael Weiss Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:41:57 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41709 I’m also inclined to believe it.

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By: Monotreme http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41708 Monotreme Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:40:39 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41708 Rose,

MW can jump in on this, but I think the reason recoveries are different now has to do with the shift from a manufacturing economy to a service-based economy. 
A manufacturer is more likely to rationally look at supply and demand, and make hiring choices accordingly.
Consumers, who drive a service economy, are much more likely to panic, causing service-based employers to shed jobs quickly. They don’t regain confidence as quickly in a recovery, either.
At least, that’s my simplistic analysis.
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By: Monotreme http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41706 Monotreme Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:37:09 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41706 I would take this with a huge grain of salt — it’s internal polling, after all — but the Utah 4th CD is lightly polled so we don’t have much data. Last June, it was 53–38 Matheson (cited above). Now Love claims it’s 36–51, a double-digit swing. It is consistent with the R+20 nature of the district, though, and with redistricting the incumbent is weakened, so I’m inclined to believe it.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41652 Michael Weiss Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:29:55 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41652 Rose,

My sup­po­si­tion is that the con­sis­tent change in recov­ery slope after 2001 is due to out­sourc­ing, which lim­its the num­ber of posi­tions avail­able on US soil. Is this cor­rect or am I jump­ing to conclusions?

There’s a correlation, but I’m not so sure that it’s causal.

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41598 dcpetterson Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:32:13 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41598 @Rose,

You could be on to something there. I distinctly recall in each of the two previous serious recessions — 2001, 1990, and even the 1981 recession — economists complaining that we were perhaps experiencing a “jobless recovery.” I suspect something substantial has changed in the economy.

Perhaps the integration of worldwide economies also has something to do with it, along with the ability of corporations now to automate work and thus replace workers rather than re-hire them. I know today a lot of workers who still have jobs are complaining that they are doing the work that two or three (or even four) people did before the recession, and their employer doesn’t want to hire anyone new. Employers are squeezing more work out of each employee, partly because employees are afraid they’ll be fired and unable to find more work if they object. (This was a desired result of Reagan’s economics team, who wanted to keep unemployment high enough to keep employees insecure about holding to their jobs.)

That graph also puts the lie to a line I’ve heard several times from conservative bloggers, that Reagan’s 1981 recession was worse than the 2008–2009 Bush recession. (They make this argument as part of their attack on Obama, that the recovery from the Bush recession is unforgivably slow.)

I think another thing that can be taken from the graph is a reminder of what Republican congressional obstructionism is doing to jobs recovery.

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By: Rose http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41594 Rose Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:08:17 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41594 re cc’s #11’s referenced graphic, 

My supposition is that the consistent change in recovery slope after 2001 is due to outsourcing, which limits the number of positions available on US soil.  Is this correct or am I jumping to conclusions?

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By: channelclemente http://www.logarchism.com/2012/09/24/ballot-watch-mountain-states/comment-page-1/#comment-41563 channelclemente Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:58:01 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17970#comment-41563 This is sort of the anti blog, IMO.  You do your info dump, read, and visit to reread.

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