Comments on: Presidential Debate 1 http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/ Governing through Reason Sat, 18 May 2013 10:02:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Logarchism » Presidential Debate 2 http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-43736 Logarchism » Presidential Debate 2 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:00:34 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-43736 […] of the mod­er­a­tors in the two pre­vi­ous debates: in the Den­ver Demo­li­tion Derby (Pres­i­den­tial Debate #1, on Octo­ber 3), PBS’ Jim Lehrer was pas­sive to the point of allow­ing both can­di­dates to over­run the […]

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42790 dcpetterson Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:30:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42790 When you do check back, see if you can tell us anything of what Romney is proposing. You haven’t so far. I don’t expect you to be able to, since Romney spent last night lying about the president’s record, and lying about the things Romney himself as so far proposed. We are left without any idea what it is Romney is proposing for the nation, and you have proven that pretty well.

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By: rgbact http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42789 rgbact Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:33:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42789 DC–

You’re last post is a bunch of partisan feces throwing. I understand you’re upset—as Obama has been exposed for the nation without his teleprompter. I’ll check back when you’ve cooled off.

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By: junk-shot http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42788 junk-shot Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:08:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42788 Yes, he did mention that spending demonstrates values, but that was later in the debate. Not exactly timely. Instead, what he countered with was an argument that he had worked with Dems and Repubs to cut 1 trillion dollars out of the discretionary domestic budget.

It was truly unbelievable to watch. Romney was trying to be more like Obama. That made sense to me, seeing as Obama is (or was) ahead in the race. The unbelievable thing was that Obama was trying to be more like Romney. Why?

I agree that Obama doesn’t need to counter every attack. But, he needs to counter some of them, then make a few attacks of his own. Its called debating. Rope a dope and playing prevent defense is not going to work. Unanswered attacks will lead to defeat. Just ask John Kerry.

I hope you are right and I am wrong. If you are right, and Obama played it correctly, the polls should continue to keep trending up for Obama. We will see in a few days.

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42787 dcpetterson Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42787 rgbact, You’ve made it clear that you can’t defend Romney’s position. You don’t even know what Romney’s position is. You won’t even admit to what he has claimed his position to be. That’s my point. His campaign is based on total fantasy, and you’re falling for it.

He has made it plain he’s going to slash taxes for the incredibly wealthy, cut services to everyone else, raise your taxes, remove whatever constraints there are on predatory businesses, throw away your health care and your retirement — and he has hoodwinked you into thinking there is something fiscally prudent, even noble, in doing so. Plus, he hasn’t the first clue about foreign policy or how to handle the military. And his Veep is an idiot. And he dresses funny.

You’ve got a clown conman for a presidential candidate. You don’t have the first clue what he stands for.

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By: Max http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42786 Max Fri, 05 Oct 2012 00:25:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42786 dc,

IOW, rgbact hasn’t a clue, so he defends the indefensible without actually pointing to a SINGLE FACT.

Well, maybe one: “Romney’s broad outlines are right on target.“
“broad outlines“
“on target”

Read: “A lack of specificity hits the bulleye.”

No, I didn’t think so, either.

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By: rgbact http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42785 rgbact Fri, 05 Oct 2012 00:08:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42785 I think you may be obsessing over a lack of detail that just isn’t common among most campaigns. When Obama promised to half the deficit, did you obsess over all the specific budget items? Probably not. There is some faith that goes into electing a president. Romney has a record of fiscal prudence and balancing budgets. so I’ll trust him given the fiscally insane alternative. Romney’s broad outlines are right on target.

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By: dcpetterson http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42784 dcpetterson Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:42:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42784 I’d say in tax reform, some people wiith huge deductions will pay more.“
Which deductions, specifically? And do you really believe that no one over $350K will pay less?

He wants to repeal all of it.
So, insurance companies can reject you if you have a pre-existing condition, and kids can’t stay on their parents’ insurance, right? Though Romney said h wouldn’t change that What els is he lying about? And which regulations in Dodd-Frank will Romney keep? I notice you declined to say what Romney will replace these things with. Try again.

I imagine Obama didn’t mention he’d be slashing Medicare and raising taxes when he was campaigning for healthcare in 2008 either
Well, since he didn’t do these things, it scarcely matters. But the question here isn’t tu quoque. It is, What is Romney actually saying he’s going to do? Do you actually know?

I ask again — under what circumstances will Romney allow abortions to remain legal? Do you know his position on this? Yes or no.

imagine the mortgage deduction will be curtailed though, since that was
part of S-B, and Romney has talked about favoring their approach

Of course, Ryan voted against Simpson-Bowles. Do you support or oppose Ryan? Is Romney admitting and running on repeal of the mortgage deduction? How will that counteract reducing the top marginal rate from 35% to 25%?

You again avoided answering which federal programs Romney will end, and how much it will save. Try again.

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By: rgbact http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42783 rgbact Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:33:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42783 No, I’d say in tax reform, some people wiith huge deductions will pay more. Romney may be overpromising, like when Obama said no tax increases <$250K.

He wants to repeal all of it. Does Obama.never offer some agreement on GOP ideas and is Romney not allowed or he’s a Lie–lie–liar!!!

I’m pretty sure Romney won’t be focused on abortion. I just said, all that’ll be gone is a federal guarantee. New York can still abort to its heart’s content.We’ve had plenty of Republican presidents and not much has changed on abortion.

I imagine Obama didn’t mention he’d be slashing Medicare and raising taxes when he was campaigning for healthcare in 2008 either. Those kind of details often are left till later. I imagine the mortgage deduction will be curtailed though, since that was part of S-B, and Romney has talked about favoring their approach

No, Obama had massive majorities for 2 years. If a GOP prez had total control for 2 years and still was harping about PBS getting subsidies.….I’d laugh in his face.

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By: Mainer http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/03/presidential-debate-1/comment-page-3/#comment-42782 Mainer Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:10:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=17895#comment-42782 Heck rgb I think Mitt by conventional metrics did most likely win, not sure about 95 to 2 but still a win. The bigger question may turn out to be at what cost.

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