Comments on: A Gravis Response http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/ Governing through Reason Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: jimbo255 http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-48070 jimbo255 Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:20:40 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-48070 The poll mentioned in the article was NOT A FRAUD, they simply reported the incorrect sample size!

Take the following numbers:

___19______0_____16___________35

___36_____90_____66__________192

___77_____87_____24__________188

____9______1______0___________10

__547____359____196_________1102

__688____537____302_________1527

Divide by *1527*, not 914, and — VIOLA! — you get the reported percentages!

__1.24___0.00___1.05_______2.29

__2.36___5.89___4.32______12.57

__5.04___5.70___1.57______12.31

__0.59___0.07___0.00_______0.65

_35.82__23.51__12.84______72.17

_45.06__35.17__19.78_____100.00

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By: Logarchism » Gravis Marketing: A Deeper Analysis http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-45870 Logarchism » Gravis Marketing: A Deeper Analysis Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:03:13 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-45870 […] found some dubi­ous num­bers in the crosstabs. Doug Kaplan, CEO of Gravis Mar­ket­ing, has stated that demo­graphic adjust­ments account for these anom­alous results, and that demo­graphic adjust­ments are being con­tin­u­ously adjusted and may vary between […]

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By: marbleman http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-45825 marbleman Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:45:04 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-45825 In all frankness, not all DUIs are alike. That wasn’t just a DUI, and there was one in 1998 and one in 2002. Doug Kaplan is a man who has had serious personal problems, serial foreclosure problems, and a constant string of problems with the IRS. Whether you find those problems relevant or not is, as you say, open to opinion. Personally, I find them to be part of a connected narrative in which a very troubled past leads nearly all the way to the doorstep of the present.

But, as I said, none of these things are conclusive statements on that present. I do think he’s earned a healthy dose of suspicion and more stringent evaluation.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-45784 Michael Weiss Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:29:01 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-45784 marbleman,
Thanks for your response. My point wasn’t so much that the coverage was nothing but the DUI. Rather, the DUI was indicative of something that isn’t (in my opinion) relevant to the matter at hand. Might he and his partners have a history of fraudulent behavior? And might that suggest that this endeavor is also fraudulent? Sure. One needs to take care in making such inferences. That’s all I was trying to say there.

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By: marbleman http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-45779 marbleman Wed, 31 Oct 2012 03:46:27 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-45779 Michael, I think your article is well-balanced.

Having read the Democratic Underground threads, however, I think your characterization of their coverage as “a DUI arrest from decades ago” is highly inadequate.

There is a lot more material than just that. Mr. Kaplan has been involved in multiple situations that raise serious doubts about his ethical capacity and standing and Mr. Kaplan continues to associate with the individuals he worked with while committing these not only unethical, but also illegal violations.

Mr. Kaplan’s violations are not just a matter of opinion — he has been pursued by a number of State agencies and Attorneys General, he has been issued multiple citations, he has faced legal judgments in cases where the State is on the other side of the “v.”

I believe the record is far too voluminous to not cast suspicion and legitimate doubt on any endeavor Mr. Kaplan is involved in. In the world of law, all these things would vault the bar of “speaks to his credibility or character” — and most of these things would qualify as related to the present “case” of his activities as a pollster.

With that said, I am all for a redemption narrative, and I believe Mr. Kaplan certainly deserves to have his results evaluated fairly and without bias.

But casting an extra ounce of suspicion on his company, in light of his status as a past “bad actor”? I think that both fair and entirely appropriate.

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By: dawolf http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-45003 dawolf Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:12:34 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-45003 Very good article Michael.

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By: Logarchism » A Gravis Fraud http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-45002 Logarchism » A Gravis Fraud Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:01:56 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-45002 […] Another Editor’s Note: I have pub­lished an update on this. […]

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By: mclever http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-44665 mclever Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:51:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-44665 Newbie pollster getting in over his head makes sense to me. Polling ain’t rocket science, but it definitely *is* a science and not something you can get right just by making a bunch of robocalls.

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By: fopplssiegeparty http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-44663 fopplssiegeparty Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:24:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-44663 The good thing is that (a short) time will reveal the truth.

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By: Michael Weiss http://www.logarchism.com/2012/10/22/a-gravis-response/comment-page-1/#comment-44660 Michael Weiss Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:55:00 +0000 http://www.logarchism.com/?p=21067#comment-44660 cc,
Yep, I saw it. I responded to your comment about it in the Presidential Debate 3 zone.

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