Presidential Debate 3

Bob Schieffer of CBS, moderator of the third Presidential debate.
Bob Schieffer moderates the third and final Presidential debate, which is hosted by Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida.
The topic tonight is scheduled to be “foreign policy” but given the last two Presidential and sole Vice-Presidential debates, who knows? They may go completely off-script and decide to discuss underwear or binders.
The format is supposed to be identical to the first Presidential debate, which was moderated by punching bag Jim Lehrer of PBS. We all know how well that went.
Maybe it was unclear what the format of the first debate was supposed to be. According to the Commission on Presidential Debates website, the 90 minutes beginning at 9 pm EDT, 6 pm PDT is to be:
…divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on topics to be selected by the moderator and announced several weeks before the debate.
The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.
Tonight’s moderator is already prepared for a Schieffer-storm of criticism from both sides. According to Politico, both campaigns are running roughshod over the rules they’ve set forth in a complicated Memorandum of Understanding, and then both campaigns are blaming the moderator for any perceived deficiencies in the debate format or procedure.
Tom Brokaw, moderator of the town-hall format 2008 debate, was interviewed by Politico:
Partisan feelings and emotions reach thermonuclear temperatures in these debates and if your candidate isn’t doing well, blame the umpire. Bob’s richly deserved reputation for fairness, intelligence and professionalism will serve him well, but not even that will immunize him from attacks of some kind.
What will happen with tonight’s rules? Will they be followed, or quickly discarded in favor of a free-for-all in which Schieffer gets trampled? Will Schieffer assert more control than his predecessor, Jim Lehrer? With the scorecard according to pundits at one win for Romney and one for Obama, who will take the rubber match?
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Why DO you all think Obama is so passionately detested by a big portion of the country
Part of it is the effective 24–7 ad campaign being run by the Republican Ministry of Propaganda (i.e., FOX “News”) and the official head of the Republican Party (Rush Limbaugh) who have mutually pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to telling a series of baldfaced lies about the President for the sole purpose of increasing said fortunes. We know advertizing works, particularly when disguised as “reality shows”, which is what FOX and right-wing radio really are.
That is only part of it, though. Two other parts are 1) Why is the Republican Party so intent on telling such outrageous lies about this particular President? and 2) Why are FOX “News” victims (i.e., their viewers), and other segments of the public so anxious to believe and embrace these manipulations? What forms the fertile ground into which the lies are sewn? I think the answers to those two questions do involve racism, though there may be more going on as well.
As for Allan West and Mia Love — their popularity among conservatives does not disprove racism as a motive, any more that trotting out showcase minorities at the Republican convention proved anything other than the ability to find tokens.
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#405 written by Rose 7 months ago
Romney’s statement that trade with Latin America had a “time zone advantage” was pretty stupid IMNSHO. Except for Peru, South America lies to the east and is not in the same time zone as the US.
#408 written by Max 7 months ago#409 written by mclever 7 months agoI think that whoever the Democrat in the White House is/was, the rightwing hatred would be just as visceral. The modes of attack might be different, but the depth and cynicism would be the same. If Hillary had won in 2008, it would be digs at her feminism rather than her blackness. They would be mocking her appearance and casting aspersions at her that some how made her the cause of Bill’s infidelity rather than questioning her Christian bona fides. And, we’d be hearing endlessly about Vince Foster, travelgate, cattle futures, etc. Instead of painting her as having a socialist agenda, they’d paint her as continuing the socialist takeover that began under her husband.
Don’t kid yourselves. I remember how ugly the Republican chatter was in the 1990s, because I heard so much of it from my own parents’ lips. I heard the same nastiness about Gore and Kerry, though not quite to the fervent pitch that the anti-Obama madness has reached, because neither of those two men ever sat in the Oval Office. I heard enough talk about what a travesty it would be if that “traitor” Kerry won in 2004…
So, you might ask, why have the attacks against Obama been all Kenyan socialist birther crap? Because he’s so squeakly clean that they don’t have any real scandals to pin on him. No questionable stock trades. No aides committing suicide. No rumors of girls on the side or even an awkard drunken pass. And, he defanged their attacks on his college drug use, because he already admitted to “inhaling.” So, they have to attack him with the ammunition they’ve got. And some of it gets pretty silly. (Questioning the college transcript of the Editor of the Harvard Law Review? Really??)
But trust me, any Democrat would be subject to the same level of hatred, though it would be different in character to match whatever the person’s traits were. The Republicans would be looking for “terrorist” links to fringe lefty environmental groups or whatever they could find to try to paint the Democrat as a scary “other.” I see the attacks on Obama (and the swiftboat attacks on Kerry, for example) as mostly an escalation of what began under Bill Clinton, though it may have begun earlier than that (which I’m sure some of you oldtimers can point out to me).
The attacks don’t surprise me as much as how many people are gullible enough to believe them. But that’s more a feature of the 24⁄7 propaganda machine, which I think would also be in effect regardless of who the White House occupant might be.
mclever, you certainly could be right. The attacks on Bill Clinton were pretty bad, but not at this level. Perhaps the difference is merely time — an additional 16 years.
There is another factor. We’ve also had 8 years of President Bush, whom Republicans must prove the Democrat in the White House must be even worse than, or else it would be very difficult to convince the public to vote for another Republican. Perhaps they need to do something to show that, while they are still Republicans, and while they still embrace all of Bush’s policies (the only problem being that Bush didn’t do them enough), at least they’re better than the competition.
#413 written by channelclemente 7 months ago#414 written by Max 7 months agoObama in Debate # 3:
“Military policies of the 80’s, social policies of the 50’s and the economic policies of the 20’s“#678, Presidential Debate 2:
” Because the sum total of those amendments, policies and legislation would take America back to ante-1953, even ante-1947 with Executive Order 8802, even ante-1933 and the New Deal. No President “overstepping” his bounds, no “activist” judiciary, no Roe v Wade, no Engle or Schempp, no Lilly Ledbetter Act, and on and on.”Hmmm. Coincidence?
#415 written by GROG 7 months ago#417 written by shortchain 7 months agoConservatives are afraid that foppsie is right about Trump’s “big reveal” being an old set of Obama divorce papers. They very much fear that if so, this will not go well for them.
How do the Logarchism folks think this would play, if true?
filistro,
How do the Logarchism folks think this would play, if true?
Sounds like a big yawn to me. Oh, no doubt FOX and Freeperville and RedState will hyperventilate over it. But that’s not going to change the outcome of the election. Those who don’t live in the GOP echo chamber might hear about it, but if they do they’ll probably shrug it off. After all, who cares?
One thing you have to “admire” about Mitt Romney is his ham-handed way with semiotics, the meaning behind gestures, signs and other non-verbal communications.
As a native of the area, I find this absolutely hilarious.
Romney rally at Red Rocks raises issue of government role in economy
Romney Rally At Red Rocks Amphitheater Raises Spectre Of FDR, New Deal
@Treme… Romney and semiotics: another of the many things that puzzle me about the man.
I just can’t see how this guy was a super-successful businessman. He simply doesn’t seem shrewd, insightful and canny, as a businessman needs to be. And you can’t run a company or make advantageous deals if you are unable to read people, divine their htoughts and anticipate their reactions.
Maybe he’s some kind of savant… a genius at business but clueless and clumsy in every other dimension of personal life? It’s really baffling to me.
Which reminds me. I’ve long been curious about this and keep forgetting to ask Treme and/or Rose, who likely both know… what is the genuine scuttlebutt around Salt Lake about Romney and those Olympics? Did he really “save” them with his businessman acumen and sheer managerial wizardry?
The scandal that brought down the original Olympics organizers was a classic payola scheme. Members of the church, who are not taught to frame their own ethical questions, frequently get involved in influence peddling, conflicts of interest, and affinity frauds.
Mitt Romney was honest. In that respect, he was like a breath of fresh air, and members of the church generally have a high regard for him for wiping the egg off the church’s face.He did so with considerable help from the United States Government, which as we know, never created a single job. About $1.3 billion was extracted from the Federal government to support the 2002 Olympics. The total Olympics budget was $2 billion. I disagree with factcheck.org about the highway funds coming even if the Olympics were never here. For example, the road known as “Trapper’s Loop” cost U.S. taxpayers $15M and serves exclusively, then as now, to give residents of the area better access to Earl Holding’s ski area, Snowbasin. Holding is also the CEO of Sinclair Oil.#424 written by channelclemente 7 months ago#425 written by Rose 7 months ago#426 written by Rose 7 months agoYou heard it here at Logarchism first. (My #308, #311, #312 from last night.)
#429 written by Max 7 months agofili,
Romney was NOT a “businessman”. He did NOT run a company that made things or provided services. He did NOT depend on the CUSTOMER for the welfare of Bain. He either, for a short time, was a venture capitalist, putting money in, but NOT running Staples and a couple others. The other 90% of Bain’s “business” was identifying companies for takeover, doing a highly leverage purchase, and then either looting them of their assets while paying themselves handsome “management fees”, and/or piecemealing them out and sending the jobs overseas, principally to China.
But run a business that provided goods and services for customers, increasing demand and market share, expanding business and hiring employees?
Nope, didn’t happen.
And Obama missed an opportunity by not mentioning Sensata by name last night.
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@turbo… It’s not racism, so much as xenophobia.
Yes, I think you’re right. That’s part of what I’m tryign to nail down. Obama isn’t just “as good” as they are. He’s more cosmopolitan, better educated, more sophisticated. And they suspect he thinks of himself that way, and they just can’t stand it.