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		<title>By: Monotreme</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46468</link>
		<dc:creator>Monotreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Michael said,&lt;blockquote&gt;Or needs to be drawn away from the met­als, anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Are you suggesting he&#039;s ductile?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael said,<br />
<blockquote>Or needs to be drawn away from the met­als, anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you suggesting he’s ductile?</p>
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		<title>By: Monotreme</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46467</link>
		<dc:creator>Monotreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If only &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMD02zU9SE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Mitt Romney&lt;/a&gt; had shown up for the last year and a half, we&#039;d be having a very different discussion right now.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMD02zU9SE" rel="nofollow">this Mitt Romney</a> had shown up for the last year and a half, we’d be having a very different discussion right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46415</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mainer, Maybe at height of warm season. Really anywhere with the right conditions and it may be another facet of warming, range expansion. They are interchangeably called great white herons and surely act like them.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Looks like you at least have snowy egrets&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.birdingmaine.com/photo-of-the-day-snowy-egret-flying-away.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.birdingmaine.com/photo-of-the-day-snowy-egret-flying-away.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bucksport rocks. Fort Knox is astonishing, an old bit of millitary industrial complex from another time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mainer, Maybe at height of warm season. Really anywhere with the right conditions and it may be another facet of warming, range expansion. They are interchangeably called great white herons and surely act like them.
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<p>Looks like you at least have snowy egrets <a href="http://www.birdingmaine.com/photo-of-the-day-snowy-egret-flying-away.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.birdingmaine.com/photo-of-the-day-snowy-egret-flying-away.htm</a></p>
<p>Bucksport rocks. Fort Knox is astonishing, an old bit of millitary industrial complex from another time.</p>
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		<title>By: channelclemente</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46224</link>
		<dc:creator>channelclemente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Romney is apparently experiencing a real &#039;backlash&#039; in Michigan and Ohio over his Chrysler ads/comments. &#160;Even papers that endorsed him, like the DFP, are calling him out for being flagrantly dishonest.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romney is apparently experiencing a real ‘backlash’ in Michigan and Ohio over his Chrysler ads/comments.  Even papers that endorsed him, like the DFP, are calling him out for being flagrantly dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mule Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46223</link>
		<dc:creator>Mule Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;P&gt;&quot;Or needs to be drawn away....&quot;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I&#039;m not sure what part of &quot;a return to the Gold Standard ISN&#039;T NECESSARY....&quot; didn&#039;t register with him.&#160; It was pretty unambiguous and he still chose to fire off a shot from la la land.&#160; You can lead a horse to water....&lt;/P&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Or needs to be drawn away.…”</p>
<p>I’m not sure what part of “a return to the Gold Standard ISN’T NECESSARY.…” didn’t register with him.  It was pretty unambiguous and he still chose to fire off a shot from la la land.  You can lead a horse to water.…</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46222</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mule,
&lt;blockquote&gt;I assume, then, that you agree with me that DC is not try­ing to have a seri­ous dis­cus­sion when he trots out some­thing so inane?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or needs to be drawn away from the metals, anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mule,</p>
<blockquote><p>I assume, then, that you agree with me that DC is not try­ing to have a seri­ous dis­cus­sion when he trots out some­thing so inane?</p></blockquote>
<p>Or needs to be drawn away from the metals, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Mule Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46220</link>
		<dc:creator>Mule Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;P&gt;&quot;Then don&#039;t let yourself....&quot;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;See comment 80 from DC where he responds to a statement where I specifically state a return to a Gold Standard isn&#039;t necessary, just a responsible Central Bank and monetary policy, with a vacuous and neanderthalic response about &quot;Iron Age bartering.&quot;  I assume, then, that you agree with me that DC is not trying to have a serious discussion when he trots out something so inane?&lt;/P&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Then don’t let yourself.…”</p>
<p>See comment 80 from DC where he responds to a statement where I specifically state a return to a Gold Standard isn’t necessary, just a responsible Central Bank and monetary policy, with a vacuous and neanderthalic response about “Iron Age bartering.”  I assume, then, that you agree with me that DC is not trying to have a serious discussion when he trots out something so inane?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46217</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[shortchain,
&lt;blockquote&gt;2.If you are going after “unde­cided vot­ers” at this point you need to be a lit­tle bit more sub­tle, a bit more indi­rect, and you need to try and hit them where they are ten­der.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Both camps abandoned the undecideds right around the debates. Everything since then has been about motivating the base to get out and vote. It seems to me that Obama has done a better job there, but I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s enough to flip any of the states.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shortchain,</p>
<blockquote><p>2.If you are going after “unde­cided vot­ers” at this point you need to be a lit­tle bit more sub­tle, a bit more indi­rect, and you need to try and hit them where they are ten­der.</p></blockquote>
<p>Both camps abandoned the undecideds right around the debates. Everything since then has been about motivating the base to get out and vote. It seems to me that Obama has done a better job there, but I don’t know if it’s enough to flip any of the states.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.logarchism.com/2012/11/02/open-mic-november-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46214</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mule,
&lt;blockquote&gt;I could swear there’s still a flour­ish­ing mar­ket for gold, sil­ver, plat­inum, etc. out there TODAY.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Of course. What I believe he meant was metals as a source of currency. And, no, it wasn&#039;t a few thousand years ago that they &quot;went out&quot;; it was within the last century.

Metals still have value because we make so many things out of them. And some of them have additional value for the same reason paper with Washington&#039;s face on it has value: enough people agree that it does.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve said numer­ous times that a sta­tic money sup­ply — via respon­si­ble Cen­tral Bank and mon­e­tary pol­icy — is my only desire&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Then don&#039;t let yourself get drawn into the metal discussion. Return it to static money supply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mule,</p>
<blockquote><p>I could swear there’s still a flour­ish­ing mar­ket for gold, sil­ver, plat­inum, etc. out there TODAY.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course. What I believe he meant was metals as a source of currency. And, no, it wasn’t a few thousand years ago that they “went out”; it was within the last century.</p>
<p>Metals still have value because we make so many things out of them. And some of them have additional value for the same reason paper with Washington’s face on it has value: enough people agree that it does.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve said numer­ous times that a sta­tic money sup­ply — via respon­si­ble Cen­tral Bank and mon­e­tary pol­icy — is my only desire</p></blockquote>
<p>Then don’t let yourself get drawn into the metal discussion. Return it to static money supply.</p>
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		<title>By: mclever</title>
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		<dc:creator>mclever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@shortchain&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your comment #137 captured exactly my impressions living here in a swing state. I&#039;m seeing 5 or 6 Romney/PAC ads for every Obama ad, but the Romney ads are forgettable same old same old political ads running ad nauseum every commercial break. It&#039;s the dreary black-n-white images with bold red scare letters, over and over and over. Obama&#039;s ads tend to be more memorable and better targeted. It&#039;s like Republicans think they can use a scattershot approach, firing up as much cheap lead as possible and hoping they score a hit, while the Obama campaign is using a laser-sighted sniper rifle with copper jacket bullets in comparison. (I&#039;m not that much of a gun person, so hopefully Max will forgive me if the analogy isn&#039;t perfect.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, Romney ads seem to be still aimed at general persuasion with a message of &quot;Obama bad&quot; and hammering the same &quot;economy, jobs, debt&quot; message that they&#039;ve been on all along. They could have run these same ads in August, and we wouldn&#039;t know the difference. While the Obama ads have distinctly changed in character since Debate #3. Now, they are aimed at closing the deal, with the ads aimed at convincing people to vote, period. There&#039;s the &quot;What are you going to tell your friends, that you couldn&#039;t be bothered?&quot; ad and the one that I think of as Obama&#039;s closing message, where he follows up highlights of economic progress with a few bullets about the future and his &quot;can&#039;t go back, keep moving forward&quot; line. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, the Obama ads have distinctly different flavors depending what I&#039;m watching. The ads during NBA games are more likely to be the &quot;go vote!&quot; ads, while the ads on CNN are more likely to be the Bill Clinton ad or another &quot;closer&quot; ad. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, this doesn&#039;t just apply to advertising. I get robocalls from the RNC and Romney campaign that have absolutely no hope of persuading me. I&#039;m bombarded with daily &quot;Obama is destroying middle class families&quot; calls and &quot;Debt will burden your children&quot; calls that have only intensified. But I already voted as a registered Democrat. The Obama campaign knows that, so they call once a week to ask if I&#039;ll volunteer instead of still trying to persuade me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My friend (I&#039;ll call her Joan) voted on Wednesday. Prior to that, she was getting Obama calls touting his concern for women&#039;s health and equality issues, issues that mattered to her. After she voted, she got an email thanking her for voting. I know, because she expressed her surprise that the Obama campaign had stopped hounding her and asking me if I knew how to get the Romney calls to stop, too. I told her Romney was still calling me, and she burst out laughing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shortchain</p>
<p>Your comment #137 captured exactly my impressions living here in a swing state. I’m seeing 5 or 6 Romney/PAC ads for every Obama ad, but the Romney ads are forgettable same old same old political ads running ad nauseum every commercial break. It’s the dreary black-n-white images with bold red scare letters, over and over and over. Obama’s ads tend to be more memorable and better targeted. It’s like Republicans think they can use a scattershot approach, firing up as much cheap lead as possible and hoping they score a hit, while the Obama campaign is using a laser-sighted sniper rifle with copper jacket bullets in comparison. (I’m not that much of a gun person, so hopefully Max will forgive me if the analogy isn’t perfect.)</p>
<p>Also, Romney ads seem to be still aimed at general persuasion with a message of “Obama bad” and hammering the same “economy, jobs, debt” message that they’ve been on all along. They could have run these same ads in August, and we wouldn’t know the difference. While the Obama ads have distinctly changed in character since Debate #3. Now, they are aimed at closing the deal, with the ads aimed at convincing people to vote, period. There’s the “What are you going to tell your friends, that you couldn’t be bothered?” ad and the one that I think of as Obama’s closing message, where he follows up highlights of economic progress with a few bullets about the future and his “can’t go back, keep moving forward” line. </p>
<p>Also, the Obama ads have distinctly different flavors depending what I’m watching. The ads during NBA games are more likely to be the “go vote!” ads, while the ads on CNN are more likely to be the Bill Clinton ad or another “closer” ad. </p>
<p>And, this doesn’t just apply to advertising. I get robocalls from the RNC and Romney campaign that have absolutely no hope of persuading me. I’m bombarded with daily “Obama is destroying middle class families” calls and “Debt will burden your children” calls that have only intensified. But I already voted as a registered Democrat. The Obama campaign knows that, so they call once a week to ask if I’ll volunteer instead of still trying to persuade me.</p>
<p>My friend (I’ll call her Joan) voted on Wednesday. Prior to that, she was getting Obama calls touting his concern for women’s health and equality issues, issues that mattered to her. After she voted, she got an email thanking her for voting. I know, because she expressed her surprise that the Obama campaign had stopped hounding her and asking me if I knew how to get the Romney calls to stop, too. I told her Romney was still calling me, and she burst out laughing.</p>
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